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 Post subject: Grunow 1191
PostPosted: Nov Mon 01, 2010 11:09 pm 
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Is this the Shirley Temple set or was there a different one with a Tele-dial ??

I had a hard time finding a schematic on this one. Any info is appreciated !! (It's soon join the Command Center Fleet here)

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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
PostPosted: Nov Mon 01, 2010 11:29 pm 
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Grunow 1291 is the Shirley Temple radio Bruce. Where the 1191 is nearly the same radio without the Teledial part. And it also has one less tube and a different cabinet. See below the original AD as well as a picture of the 1291

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pardon for me asking, but I have seen a few pics of these and am wondering, is that all veneer or is some of it faux?


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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
PostPosted: Nov Tue 02, 2010 12:14 am 
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y2k Bruce wrote:
Is this the Shirley Temple set or was there a different one with a Tele-dial ??

I had a hard time finding a schematic on this one. Any info is appreciated !! (It's soon join the Command Center Fleet here)

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Looks like it suffered from a weekend warrior blond refinishing job, I hope it isn't polyurethane. The extra tube in the 1291 Teledial set is likely for the muting circuit which the model 1191 does not need.
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When you put a photo from the Radio Attic's Archives inline in a post, PLEASE credit the web site. That photo was contributed to the Archives by Lyndell Scott.

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Hi,

Actually, the 1291 was contributed to the RadioAttic Archives by Mark McClure. An 1191 there is attributable to Lyndell Scott, but it's not the one shown in this thread.

http://www.radioatticarchives.com/radio.htm?radio=1484
http://www.radioatticarchives.com/radio.htm?radio=6191

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I have a chassis of both models ,the teledial has a bad if transformer in it and have not checked the other one but both are complet

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Arran is right; it's been refinished. My 1191 has its original finish; it's slightly darker overall, but that may be natural aging. The giveaways are the grille bars (they should be much darker) and the bottom veneer band (it should be painted black).
I'll post a photo of mine once I go home and take a decent one.

Riders has an excellent schematic with alignment instructions. I don't know who has it on the web (Nostalgia Air doesn't); all I have is a photocopy and it's probably too beat up to scan. It's worth the effort to get playing again - with 2 push-pull 6F6's, the sound is excellent!

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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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Hi

I just bought a Grunow 1191 (11G Chassis).
I've been able to collect most of the info I need for restoration,
schematics and so on, is there a copy of a user/instruction manual
available anywhere?

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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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Rusty radio : Have you had any luck finding any more information that you were looking for? I was just given the same radio from my dad (it belonged to his dad) and am in the process of restoring it too. I have the schematics and such but feel there is more to be found (like the GRUNOW RADIO MODEL 1191 INSTRUCTIONS MANUAL or operators manual) . Any luck with that?

I also had a thought of trying to buy another one, for comparison sake. It appears to be a quality radio.

Hope you have been successful. dave


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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
PostPosted: Feb Mon 22, 2016 7:53 pm 
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I own both a 1291 and an 1191 and they are both great-sounding radios. The 1291 adds a tube to handle the AFC function (necessary to compensate for the slop in the mechanical Teledial preset-tuning system) and deletes the eye tube. The 1191 also has one less triode in the audio stage; IMO the extra triode in the 1291 was unnecessary and probably only included to drive up tube count to the magic "dozen" figure. Both sets perform well audio-wise (they have the same 12" speaker) and use a tuned RF stage ahead of the converter tube to obtain good sensitivity with an antenna of modest length.

The 1291 was the set most closely associated with the "Shirley Temple" ad campaign; however, Shirley also posed for ads with the "big brother" of the 1291, which was the 1541- a 15-tube Teledial set with frequency coverage to 72 MHz and dual speakers (bass/midrange), with separate output drive channels for each speaker type. It would be interesting to hear if the 18-72 MHz band on this set ever got much use.


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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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Cool! another 5 year old thread, come back from the dead :D

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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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For schematic check Nostalgia Air under General Household Utilities Co.


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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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Roger that on the schematics. I have them and the one service data sheet. Just seems a little odd that there isn't more technical info (a parts list, indicating wattage of resistors, for one thing). Looking for the users manual.

Wonder how many 1191's are still in existence. I never see one listed for sale.

Hey, thanks for your replies. Any more thoughts or guidance.


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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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I also seen an ad With Shirley posing with the 1541 set, she was sponsoring all the teledials. Here's my 1541 and I must say its has plenty of power for those 3 speakers in it.


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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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fred taylor wrote:
I also seen an ad With Shirley posing with the 1541 set, she was sponsoring all the teledials. Here's my 1541 and I must say its has plenty of power for those 3 speakers in it.

Beautiful set! One of my top favorite vintage consoles of all-time. For that short period in the mid-30's Grunow made some of the prettiest deco sets ever made.


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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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Fred Taylor: Nice radio. I'm jealous. Now you have really stoked my interest in this brand of radio's.

Thanks. dave


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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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That 15 tube Grunow is Bi-Amplified, meaning it has an audio amp to drive the woofer only and a separate audio amp to drive the tweeters.

Grunow also did this with the previous year model 1241 which has the same "Mickey Mouse" look to the speaker arrangement :D
It just lacks the Teledial automatic tuning and associated AFC circuitry.

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AZenithNut: Thanks for the info Steve. By the Mickey Mouse comment, do you mean the speaker arrangement?

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 Post subject: Re: Grunow 1191
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Yes, if you look in the back, the woofer makes Mickey's head and the tweeters are his ears. :lol:

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