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 Post subject: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
PostPosted: Mar Thu 01, 2018 8:29 pm 
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I just received this set today. I'll admit this purchase shows my shallower side, I just bought it for it's looks! :lol: Can anyone identify this radio? It could possibly be from Canada. Nothing on it except for a serial number- 1954.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
PostPosted: Mar Thu 01, 2018 10:40 pm 
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To me it looks like a Gyptum Model 1 made up from lamp parts, a Browning Drake RF coil, miscellaneous hardware, and an easily removed and most conspicuously transplanted serial number tag.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
PostPosted: Mar Fri 02, 2018 12:57 am 
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The crystal set came from the estate of a collector in Montreal who had five of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
PostPosted: Mar Fri 02, 2018 9:03 pm 
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I agree, it is made of lamp parts. The coil looks brand new, on black PVC. The serial number plate is screwed on.
Is it possible he made a bunch of these to sell them?

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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I don't know, to me it looks more like a recent creation crystal radio set of fantasy then anything that a legitimate manufacturer would have made. Sure, it has a serial number but that's an awfully clunky and oversized ID plate in ratio with the rest of the receiver. It also looks kind of tacky being a shiny aluminum ID tag mounted on a shiny brass base. You say the guy has 5 of them. That sounds kind of odd, to have 5 examples of a crystal set that nobody else has ever seen or heard of until now.

I don't think there was much to be altered in order to make such a crystal receiver. I think the upper and lower holders originally held the lamp wick and glass envelope. All anyone had to do was to simply remove those two components and wedge a coil in the center and place a cats whisker on top. Basically a minimal effort conversion or repurpose job.

Just curious, what did you have to pay for it?

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
PostPosted: Mar Sat 03, 2018 2:26 pm 
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I think what you are saying is they came from the estate of the maker?


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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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Is that a 1N34 diode attached to the arm of the crystal detector?

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
PostPosted: Mar Sat 03, 2018 3:57 pm 
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Is that a 1N34 diode attached to the arm of the crystal detector?

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
PostPosted: Mar Sat 03, 2018 4:59 pm 
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I"m not certain that I see a crystal in that holder.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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atwaterkent1 wrote:
I just received this set today. I'll admit this purchase shows my shallower side, I just bought it for it's looks! :lol:

Good, 'cause a real antique it ain't! Have you ever seen a manufacturer's metal tag screwed in place? If he had wanted it to look "authentic", he could have at least used rivets.
Hope you didn't spend too much on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
PostPosted: Mar Mon 05, 2018 3:48 am 
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Thanks for your input guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
PostPosted: Mar Mon 05, 2018 5:10 am 
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Sorry for the harsh reality. I've been there myself on my radio collecting journey. A little more investigation on my part leads me to believe that the sets were made from reproduction "double post student lamps" that were probably not popular sellers.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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fifties wrote:
Have you ever seen a manufacturer's metal tag screwed in place?

Well... AAMOF... yes... In the thread about the Zenith 812 currently on eBay.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=336739

Dan, a couple fantasy radios or repros never hurt a collection. They catch people's attention (non-collectors).


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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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About 8 or 9 months ago, there was a person in Canada making and sell similar look (vertical coil and brass lamp hardware) sets on eBay. He sold a few of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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Don't feel like you are the only one who has been duped by a fraudulent crystal set. I purchased this set a few years ago on eBay. The builder did a wonderful job with tags and weathering. It certainly looks like an original set from the early 1920's but it isn't.
Alan

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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I bought it for it's looks as I stated in my original post. I did not assume it was an antique or particularly valuable as I didn't pay a lot for it. The response from the gang here was not a total surprise, I didn't think it was made in this country. I've had two offers from collectors in Canada to buy it for significantly more than I paid, so there's more to the story. Thanks again guys.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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palegreenthumb wrote:
fifties wrote:
Have you ever seen a manufacturer's metal tag screwed in place?

Well... AAMOF... yes... In the thread about the Zenith 812 currently on eBay.

http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtop ... 1&t=336739

The only tag I see in that auction is on the back of the speaker magnet, and I fail to see any screws in it?

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I didn't pay a lot for it.

I've had two offers from collectors in Canada to buy it for significantly more than I paid, so there's more to the story.

Sounds like you are on top of your game; pay no attention to us, lol!!

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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Another one is up for sale. I wonder if the future buyer, of this set, will wind up posting on ARF asking for information about it. Reality might be a bitter pill to swallow for the new owner.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/302662376709?rmvSB=true

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help - Identifying Crystal Radio Set
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At least the seller makes no claims that it is old or has collector values. The "solid brass fittings" may also be true if the nuts on the top are brass. I wonder if it still receives after you hang the headphones on the cat whisker.

Oh yes, I forgot the cat whisker is actually a modern diode stuck into the whisker holder.


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