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 Post subject: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
PostPosted: Dec Thu 13, 2018 6:58 pm 
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Not sure if Magnavox put other stereos in the same cabinets, but this looks like a Concert Grand, missing the knobs, in Dallas for $200. Shown in the 4th and 5th pics.

https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/atq/d ... 16281.html


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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
PostPosted: Dec Fri 14, 2018 5:49 am 
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Looks like it! 1ST801.

$200 is a great price! Run, do not walk!

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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
PostPosted: Dec Sat 15, 2018 3:23 am 
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Add 29 days old, sent message lets see. Is that a special unit, must be top of the line model seldom seen ?


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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
PostPosted: Dec Sat 15, 2018 6:00 am 
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High-end, and also Danish Modern styling.

It has 42 tubes spread across 5 chassis, including 2 large, heavy 50 Watt bi-amplified monoblock amplifiers. The 5 chassis are the tuner, the tuner power supply, the chassis for talking to a wireless remote control, and the 2 monoblock amps. They were delivered with remotes, and if you're lucky, the remote is still with it.

The sister unit in the French Provincial cabinet (1ST800) can be seen here:
https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/magnavox_ ... 01_82.html

Beware, they weigh about 300 pounds!

Given it is missing all its knobs, you should familiarize yourself with the expected components, so that you can tell whether it's been cannibalized for parts. The big amps, the 15" speakers and the horns are desirable items to those audio component goofballs who have more dollars than sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
PostPosted: Dec Sun 16, 2018 6:13 am 
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A Concert Grand may have six chassis and six rectifiers, four power transformers, three power cords and 44 tubes if it is pre-1961 with an eye tube and a Multiplex adapter. The latest version only has 36 tubes, 34 with no Multiplex adapter. There is no French Provincial style, it is simply Provincial. They do not weigh 300 pounds. Two guys can carry one, although you would not want to hold one end all day. A bit over 200, I'd say.

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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
PostPosted: Dec Sun 16, 2018 6:42 am 
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I just went and looked at the scan of the Magnavox 1961 product guide that I have, and in fact, Magnavox didn't even call it Provincial. They called it "Traditional."

I created the entry for that model at RadioMuseum, and I have *NO* idea where I came up with French Provincial. Apparently I need to fix that.

Interestingly, the previous page in the catalog (pgs 38-39) shows a Magnavox Imperial model 1-ST664 that *is* called the French Provincial. Maybe I was looking at it, and just copied it off the wrong page when I did it.

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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
PostPosted: Dec Sun 16, 2018 10:09 pm 
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Correct. In 1960, when my CG was made, Traditional was mahogany finish and Provincial was cherry. Mine is cherry. For 1961, they dropped the eye tube and the Provincial nomenclature. For 1962, they used one 5Y3 rectifier per amp chassis, replacing the former two 5U4's. They also omitted remote control, and typically made MPX standard. Both the Traditional and Provincial were model 1ST800F. The Danish was model 1ST801. My 1960 big Imperial is model 1ST233, in mahogany and is called Italian Contemporary, whatever that is. My Imperial does not have remote control.


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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
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Ahhh, interesting.

I own a 1ST233, too. I found a 2-page magazine ad for it on eBay, and the ad calls it the "Imperial Classic" model, although I do see the "Imperial Italian Contemporary" name listed in the '61 catalog associated with model 2ST233, which appears to look identical to the 1ST233.

It seems like Magnavox was a bit fluid with these model names.

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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
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Those beasts could easily heat a room!

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 Post subject: Re: Concert Grand? in Dallas for $200
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My 1ST233 Imperial is a 1960 model, with an eye tube, built the 43rd week of 1959. That model is not listed in the 1960 catalog. The 1961 version does not have the eye tube. Trying to figure out what Magnavox was doing with their various models will take three lifetimes. They had "standard" models, but would vary equipment depending on what the customer wanted and was willing to pay for. The 1962-'63 tube models are horrible to try and document. My 418 model 1962 Stereo Theater started its life as a model 417. Somebody wanted remote control, so it was refitted, the model sticker was changed, but somebody forgot to change the paint stamp saying "417" under the amplifier.

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