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 Post subject: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Thu 10, 2013 8:12 pm 
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A fellow in Sykesville MD, about 3 hours from here just across the PA/MD state line, mailed me a book on the 7th. Checking the tracking number I see it turned up 2 days later (the 9th) in Greensboro, NC, sat there for 16 hours and just left this morning. From Sykesville north to Lehighton it's 156 miles. From Sykesville south to Greensboro NC it's 356 miles. So now it's three times as far from delivery as it was when it was mailed. I wonder where it's going next? Mississippi? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
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Everything is routed through processing hubs. It's cheaper and more efficient to send all the mail to one place and then route it to the various destinations than to pick up each letter or package and take it directly to the destination.


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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Thu 10, 2013 8:44 pm 
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That was just a mis-route.
Most likely it got tucked inside or caught by another piece and took a ride southward. It happens.

The Postal Service has recently closed or will close some routing facilities, so delivery times may get longer.
It's normally about two days to anyplace in the country from Maryland. Not bad.

Considering the Postal Service handles about half the total mail volume in the world, they do a pretty good job.
On one day last month, just before Christmas, they delivered 15 Billion packages.

The problem with USPS is the ridiculous compensation package the postal workers receive.

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Thu 10, 2013 9:05 pm 
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I'm still waiting on a package that was mailed in mid December that is sluggishly making its way east from Nebraska. Like Leigh said, it's only going to get worse.

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Thu 10, 2013 9:31 pm 
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I'm still waiting on a package that was mailed in mid December


What? Lucky if you ever see it....


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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Thu 10, 2013 10:05 pm 
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About a month ago I bought an item through ebay from a seller that was about 115 miles from me. It was shipped Priority but took 5 days to arrive. Check out the tracking:

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Thu 10, 2013 10:22 pm 
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Would those of you who have never made a mistake be so kind as to raise your hands so you can be counted?

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Fri 11, 2013 12:28 am 
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Nope. No fudging. :D :mrgreen: 8) :shock: :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Fri 11, 2013 12:34 am 
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Leigh wrote:
Would those of you who have never made a mistake be so kind as to raise your hands so you can be counted?

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I guess it is easy to just write these "trips" off as mistakes...but it happens constantly and has been talked about here many times before. This seems to be the way they do business.

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
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Constantly???

Perhaps you missed my comment above about USPS delivering 15 BILLION packages in one day.
Their error rate is so small as to be statistically invisible.

Just to put things in perspective, the US Postal Service is the largest employer in the country.
That's an awful lot of people doing a good job every day.

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Fri 11, 2013 1:07 am 
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I'd like to read about those 15 BILLION packages in one day. Do you have a link?

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Fri 11, 2013 2:16 am 
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As way of background, for 15 years until I retired I ran a fulfillment center for a Fortune 500 company. We shipped 22 million dollars of reference books a year via the Post Office. It was a subscription service so each book shipped required the previous edition be returned at our expense using a Blue Merchandise Return card invented by my dept. My dept budget was 2 million per year, not counting product postage or personal postage. I had a personal postage budget of more than 100,000 dollars. I sat in on Postal Council meetings many, many times over the years due to the amount of business we did with the PO. In all that time I've gained some insight into how things are done and how they should be done. That being said, things are not being done as they should be in the USPS. Closing facilities and getting rid of people is having a huge negative effect on efficiency which leads to additional costs which leads to, well, right back where they started, budget shortfalls.

As far as this package goes, yes the USPS uses distribution centers but, in this instance, they used the wrong one. Mail going north or northeast is supposed to go to the Philadelphia Center (19Z), not the Greensboro Center (27Z). So, is it more efficient to truck it directly to Phila or to truck it to Greensboro and then to Phila? Which way is cheaper? It's all about efficiency and as the USPS is currently configured and operated, it's not very efficient at all. That being the case I, as a taxpayer and postage payer (customer), have every right to expect better and every right to complain when it falters or fails and I don't have to live a perfect life to do it.

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
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The longer than expected delivery time didn't bother me at all. It wasn't anything I needed quickly. I just thought it was amusing the trip it took to get here. It traveled over 3000 miles to arrive 115 miles from where it started. I am a big proponent of the USPS. They are much more convenient to use (for me anyway) than UPS or FedEx.

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
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I'd like to read about those 15 BILLION packages in one day. Do you have a link?
It was a radio news item around Christmas time.

Google should find it.

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
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That comes to 26132 packages per employee per day
6 billion a day worth of stamps,,,uspo should be floating
Only about 7 b on the planet


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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Sat 12, 2013 12:00 am 
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USPS was laid out with a relatively low initial investment rather than a high initial investment that would be cheaper in the long run. It is not the worst system, but definitely not the best either.....

If USPS's screwups are supposedly so statistically insignificant, there shouldn't be so many people here reporting problems, and so often. Even if you count all the people currently registered here (over 23k), you still end up with a number less than 0.0001% of the US population. In reality, that percentage is magnitudes lower; perhaps 0.000001%. As a valid sample, that tells you that USPS's supposed "success" rate is likely just a statistical lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damn ... statistics

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
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Leigh wrote:
Jack Shirley wrote:
I'd like to read about those 15 BILLION packages in one day. Do you have a link?
It was a radio news item around Christmas time.

Google should find it.

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Maybe you can help me out since I'm not able to find anything like that. I've found all sorts of specs for the USPS but nothing approaches a number like that.

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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Sat 12, 2013 8:19 am 
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Jack Shirley wrote:
Leigh wrote:
Jack Shirley wrote:
I'd like to read about those 15 BILLION packages in one day. Do you have a link?
It was a radio news item around Christmas time.

Google should find it.

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Maybe you can help me out since I'm not able to find anything like that. I've found all sorts of specs for the USPS but nothing approaches a number like that.

Here's what I found http://tinyurl.com/arv2cu3 That sounds more believable.

BTW, tinyurl advertises billions of redirects every month. :)


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 Post subject: Re: And they wonder why they're losing money
PostPosted: Jan Sat 12, 2013 10:28 am 
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I use the post office, and I know its not a perfect world, and things get screwed up, every once in a while.

But here's something that they shouldn't have implemented while in the middle of their current crisis. I regularly send parcels overseas. This involves the addition of a CN22 customs form. In the old days, they just slapped part of it on the package, and filed away the rest of it. Now, the clerk has to copy and enter all the info, at their terminal. That's an extra 5 minutes per parcel ! More work for no more money. That's a way to go broke fast.

I've been doing them a favor, and fill out the forms on-line. That way, when they scan the barcode, the filled out form pops up on the terminal. But how many people do that, or are even aware of it. Plus you can't pay on-line, unless its Priority, or Express. No on-line payment, for regular First Class. What goober, or Kick Back, caused this little omission !?

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