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 Post subject: Some more audiofoolery...
PostPosted: Jan Mon 21, 2013 8:28 pm 
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On the 'net trying to find some service data on a British high dollar turntable to repair the motor's power supply. I found someone that showed a rebuilding of this particular model, and when he said he sent the wooden base out to be refinished by a cabinet maker, someone chided him for changing the sound of the unit becasue he had the lacquered finish replaced!! Are you kidding me?! The type of lacquer you use will change the "sound" of a turntable.. oh gag me!


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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
PostPosted: Jan Mon 21, 2013 8:39 pm 
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Let's just hope the guy needs to dig his tongue out of his cheek...

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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The sad truth is that certain people --who also do not have a technical background-- actually believe these things. There are a bazillion parallels in other areas of our daily life. Some of these could not be discussed within forum rules.

A fairly bland example is in trade names for products---many people will buy only the known brands, regardless of any argument as to why the "plain brown wrapper" would be the same. In many cases, if you were to probe into WHY that brand was better, they would not be able to tell you.

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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Too true...

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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Ed in SoDak wrote:
I refinish all my stereo gear with pure Snake Oil!


You'll always get the most money for it that way !

Remember, its mind over matter. After some phool spends his life savings on it, he'll convince himself that it sounds better !

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
PostPosted: Jan Tue 22, 2013 4:28 am 
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threeneurons wrote:
Ed in SoDak wrote:
Remember, its mind over matter. After some phool spends his life savings on it, he'll convince himself that it sounds better !


Actually, I don't think that this is true, because there's a disproportionate amount of new equipment turnover in the high-end.

Past a certain point, audiophilia is mostly a mixture of self-delusion and would-be elitism - it doesn't stand up well to impartial observation, or the ongoing insecurities of the afflicted.

In other words, regardless of the cash outlay, they're not happy for very long.


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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
PostPosted: Jan Tue 22, 2013 4:48 am 
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... In other words, regardless of the cash outlay, they're not happy for very long.


Of course, you're right ... what was I thinking ! :roll:

It's been a long since I've been around some. They tend to be pretty insecure, in some respects. So even if they really do have the best sounding set-up, they'll yearn for even better, in short order. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
PostPosted: Jan Tue 22, 2013 5:23 am 
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This warrants the question--What is the worst case of audiofoolery you have seen?? I have a dear friend who is a WWII veteran and retired E/E. I shared a couple of examples with him I have seen and he is understandably astonished! I would like to offer other examples for his amusement. Any links I can send his way?

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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Oh, Dave, I suppose if you dig on the 'net long enough, you'll find TONS of amusing crap.

Like those websites touting their wonderful and fabulous line voltage contraptions - costing thousands of bucks....
I'll stick with the mainstream population and deal with line spikes - after all, equipment lasted just fine without them.

Or those sites trying to make you buy their silken wiring and cables.... "they SOUND better".
The only wires I've heard that make SOUNDS are loose transformer windings under high stress.

It's all HYPE, ya know.
But don't tell that to the clueless morons!

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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Well..I am no audio snob..I like it plain.. O.K..cheap...but I have always wondered if those high $ gold plated ..wing-nutted/hand wired connectors for audio/video actually make any difference...I am talking about pro/commercial grade stuff...the stuff that looks military service grade....


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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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Sperrkreis wrote:
Well..I am no audio snob..I like it plain.. O.K..cheap...but I have always wondered if those high $ gold plated ..wing-nutted/hand wired connectors for audio/video actually make any difference...I am talking about pro/commercial grade stuff...the stuff that looks military service grade....



Military Grade or Commercial Grade stuff is made for reliability and endurance/rough handling.
Sure, more reliable in one way.

But copper wire is copper wire.
Heavier stuff can handle more current.
The average home audio speaker installation is just fine with regular 16 or 18 Ga. lamp cord wire.
It's copper wire for chrisakes.
It doesn't need imported silk sheathing, hand woven by virgin pigmies.

Clean tight connections of RCA plugs help, but you don't need "gold plated" - that started as hype and always will be.
Just another marketing tool to get more money from your wallet.

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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Welll ...good stuff to know...thanks...So it is O.K. I am cheap...but...I will never buy wire "hand woven by virgin pigmies"...I will of course...only buy the stuff from bonified.. married pygmies....


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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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I engaged a guy at work in a conversation about which electrical tape sounded better :wink: . Only took a moment for the resident audiophool to chime in. Going on and on about the finer points of Scotch brand electrical tape. Hook... line... sinker! :lol:

What I found most entertaining was that this confessed audiophile was using electrical tape on his gear in the first place :roll: ...

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Characteristics of an audiophool (originally of a yuppie):

An audiophool has more dollars than sense. :eek:

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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I engaged a guy at work in a conversation about which electrical tape sounded better :wink: . Only took a moment for the resident audiophool to chime in. Going on and on about the finer points of Scotch brand electrical tape. Hook... line... sinker! :lol:

What I found most entertaining was that this confessed audiophile was using electrical tape on his gear in the first place :roll: ...


Don't you understand that the electrical tape seals in the music, and keeps it from leaking out of the wires? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Some more audiofoolery...
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Clean tight connections of RCA plugs help, but you don't need "gold plated" - that started as hype and always will be.
Just another marketing tool to get more money from your wallet.

You bet your sweet bippy;

Rat Shack offers conventional metal colored plugs, and then for a few dollars more, the "gold plated" variety.... :roll:

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If audiophools demonstrate nothing else, they do show us just how costly misinformation and disinformation (in other words, cultivated ignorance) can be...

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