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 Post subject: Rock & Roll 1st? or was it Reggae
PostPosted: Jul Fri 20, 2018 6:08 pm 
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Fun question for music Buffs.

I have a large collection of music that I play on my computer, I have collected about 1300 songs and instrumentals. I have one song that I have played many times, but not thought about the music accompaniment. I have always thought that at the back of my mind that this was an unusual arrangement, quite different from most Rock&Roll music back in the 60s.

The song has a Reggae musical style. So the question is, Which was the first R&R Song (1963) or Reggae (1965)?

The Rock and Roll song is: Two faces Have I by Lou Christie.
Here's a link to a YouTube example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w05w1XbZTG8

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It could be influenced by Jamaican Folk which was around long before Reggae or Rock, it also sounds a little like Calypso which was very popular around that time.


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Calypso dates further back, at least into the 1950s. The original version of "Little Darling" by the Gladiolas, is in that style. The same for the original version of "Louie Louie", by Richard Berry.

Rock and Roll began with R&B, with a bit of C&W added (Bill Haley, Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly, etc.).

Pittsburgh's Lou Christie was recording for several years before "Two Faces Have I" came out. He was undoubtedly influenced by the many R&B singers who sang falsetto, usually as part of a vocal group. Pittsburgh was a huge R&B town at the time, with DJ Porky Chedwick and his colleagues playing it on the air, and at dances.

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Eric H wrote:
It could be influenced by Jamaican Folk which was around long before Reggae or Rock, it also sounds a little like Calypso which was very popular around that time.


I agree. This song isn’t reggae. Perhaps you could say proto reggae at best.

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I remember the song well. Came out in 1963. I don't believe it had anything to do with Calypso, which was popular in '57, nor Reggae, which style came out much later.
He also sang, "Rhapsody in the Rain", and "Lightning Strikes Again" during the same period, and in the same falsetto tone. That was simply his style.

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I agree with Fifties. There is no trace of reggae or calypso style in the arrangement of Two Faces Have I.

The splendid original version of Little Darlin’, by The Gladiolas—

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6mhFG5ISs8

—doesn’t strike me as calypso in style at all, either. Rather, it is clearly inspired by the Cuban rumba tradition. Here is Rumba Azul, by the Lecuona Cuban Boys in 1935, with the wonderful Alberto Rabagliati singing the refrain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sqdNKPY1sc

Here they are with Sans Vous, 1938:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDwWBc2I1zU


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Yea but no maracas and the beat style is different then what links others have posted.
another example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mrfYXHZQEI

Heres another Rock and Roll song that Has a similar style beat. Transistor Sister by Freddie Cannon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbrDIMoi-88

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Lou Christie maybe influenced Frankie Vallee a bit? I think the beat for 2 Faces is derived from surf guitar instrumentals, that rapping on the snare drum and such.
Listen to the Ventures, Hawaii 5 0 or Perfidio, early 60's.
I don't hear much enthusiasm in the performance of that Happy Morning reggae number. Maybe it's one that grows on you over time. Anyway, thanks for new inspirations.

How about Perry Como's 'Mamma Loves Mambo'. When was that on the radio. late 50's.

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Lou Christie maybe influenced Frankie Vallee a bit? I think the beat for 2 Faces is derived from surf guitar instrumentals, that rapping on the snare drum and such.
Listen to the Ventures, Hawaii 5 0 or Perfidio, early 60's.
I don't hear much enthusiasm in the performance of that Happy Morning reggae number. Maybe it's one that grows on you over time. Anyway, thanks for new inspirations.

How about Perry Como's 'Mamma Loves Mambo'. When was that on the radio. late 50's.

Frankie Valli and the 4 Seasons started in 1962. I think Lou Christie came on a bit later, '63-'64.

"Papa Loves Mambo" by Perry Como was released in August of 1954, and charted for almost 5 months.

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fifties wrote:
Frankie Valli and the 4 Seasons started in 1962. I think Lou Christie came on a bit later, '63-'64.

"Papa Loves Mambo" by Perry Como was released in August of 1954, and charted for almost 5 months.
Yes, you are right, Big Girls Don't Cry, 1962.
I guess the years run together in my mind because a hit song would get airplay for years after it was first released.

Speaking of Mambo, Grover Washington Jr., 'Little Black Samba". The album is 'Come Morning".
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