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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
PostPosted: Jul Fri 07, 2017 12:42 am 
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Somebody mentioned a diode dropper that might try. It does look like the 25W 60 ohm resistor is too small. Might go with a 50W if the diode doesn't work.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
PostPosted: Jul Fri 07, 2017 5:54 am 
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OK, tonight I pulled the main board and removed L14. Sure enough I found a wire broken. It came from the top of the coil down the side and to the terminal lug. It was broken in the middle. I unwound 1 coil and soldered it to the terminal. I then coated the coil with super Corona dope to secure the windings. Then I re-wrapped the coil with some yellow tape.

While I had the main board out, I checked all the other coils and they were good. The yellow tape had fallen off the other 2 so they got the dope and tape treatment.

I then pulled L15 again because I couldn't adjust the slugs. I think they were glued in place. I used the heat gun and applied just enough heat to loosen the slugs. After it cooled off the slugs could still be adjusted. I reinstalled it and the main board.

I also removed the filament dropping resistor and installed a 1N5408 diode in its place.

I reassembled it and turned it on. I got a picture but still no audio.

I then just started to twiddle the slugs on some of the audio coils. Viola! Real good clear audio. The picture and audio on this set is amazing. It's the best TV I've had so far!


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
PostPosted: Jul Fri 07, 2017 6:02 pm 
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Great progress on this!

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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
PostPosted: Jul Mon 10, 2017 3:48 am 
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Thanks. I'm watching Kolchak right now.

I've been working on the cabinet this weekend. Pictures to follow tomorrow.

Here are a couple. The first one is of the HV cage. I coated the fly back with several heavy coats of Super Corona dope to seal the cracks and to keep the wax from breaking off.

And a picture of the 2A Slo-Blo fuse I added.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
PostPosted: Jul Wed 12, 2017 11:16 pm 
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The yoke cover is in sad shape. The back face is completely crumbled. The centering ring and holder is separated.

My buddy thinks he might have a good one for me but it won't be till the weekend for him to see. So I decided to make one. I was going to use the plastic approach like Bob Andersen did but couldn't find the right plastic. So I made one with the materials I had at hand. I had some 1/16 thick phenolic, some 1/64 plywood, some 1/32 plywood, and some PVC sprinkler pipe that I use when re-stuffing E-caps.

I first drew it out using my CAD program. Then printed out the parts and tacked them onto the phenolic. I cut them out and filed and sanded them to shape. Once the rings were made I decided that 2 layers of 1/64 plywood would work as the "rims" with the butt joints 180 degrees apart.

For the "clamping" part I used some PVC sprinkler pipe but the O.D. was just a little too big and it has a wall thickness of 1/16 inch. I thought that that might be too thick and it needed to be 1/32 wall thickness. I rotated a 1 inch long piece up against my disc sander and sanded down the pipe to 1/32 wall. It is easier than you think. Just have to keep checking your progress.

I then used some super glue to glue on the large rim, then the other rim on top of the first. I soaked the super glue down the joint between the two pieces. I then sanded it down to the correct height and drew a 1/8 line along the edge for the tabs. The tabs are 3/8 wide 90 degrees apart. I used my Dremel with a 1/2 sanding drum to sand away that 1/8 inch between the tabs. A small hand file was used to get the corners of the tabs. I then used some 15 minute epoxy to form a fillet along the inside edge for strength.

I did the same for the centering ring holder portion.

I drilled 1/8 holes in the sprinkler pipe every 3/8 inch to from the fingers. I then used a #11 blade in my hobby knife to cut the slots. This was then epoxied in place.

The wooden parts were given a soaking of super glue to seal them, a light sanding and then some primer. Again some light sanding and some gloss black will complete the assembly. The black is drying as I type.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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The rest of the photos.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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The paint is dry and then I installed the centering ring assembly. There are 2 small tabs on the brass parts that fit into the square cutouts. The cutouts are positioned so that the tabs are inserted into those slots they maintain some pressure on the centering rings. While this worked I installed an "O" ring to apply some more pressure. Worked well.

I then installed the chassis into the cabinet and installed the front panel. Next up is to do an alignment.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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I finished with the 4.5MC and audio alignment.
I installed the back and all that's left is to do is refurb the top knobs.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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That's a nice piece of history. You did an amazing job.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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clsoca wrote:
That's a nice piece of history. You did an amazing job.


Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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Well, it is finished. Well almost. My buddy is looking for an antenna that goes into the handle. One of them has been pulled out. The other thing is I want to put some felt under the knobs on the top of the TV. Some before and after pictures.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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Excellent !
Great Work and Detail !

Thank you for sharing :)
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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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Your hard work definately shows in this project. I'm impressed! Beautiful TV and excellent restoration. Thank you for sharing your journey with us!


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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How did you fix up the numbers and lettering on the knobs?

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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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wiseguy wrote:
Excellent !
Great Work and Detail !

Thank you for sharing :)
Terry

Thank you.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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Tony V wrote:
Your hard work definately shows in this project. I'm impressed! Beautiful TV and excellent restoration. Thank you for sharing your journey with us!

Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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Tom Schulz wrote:
How did you fix up the numbers and lettering on the knobs?

Give me a couple of days and I'll do a post on what I did.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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Tom,
Here is what I did to the top knobs. I used the original knobs and cleaned them very good. This of course took off more of the letters/numbers. I tried using a black filler crayon to restore the letters/numbers. No dice. The indentations were very shallow. This must be the reason why the letters/numbers were so easily worn off. After that I lifted off the brass "bright" on each knob. It was glued but the glue broke free without much effort.

After cleaning them I tried polishing them with Gorhams Silver polish. Like the rest of the TV, the brass plating was pretty much worn off too! I then sprayed on some primer, sanded it smooth and used my Bright Gold Rust-Oleum spry paint to get them back up to an acceptable level. I suppose I could have looked into getting them re-plated, but I thought the cost would be too high.

Back to the plastic knobs. Once cleaned, I sprayed them with several coats of sandable primer. After they dried, I lightly sanded each knob "face" smooth. I then used some auto body galzing putty to fill what was left of the letter/number indentations. Then another 2 coats of primer sanded smooth. I then sprayed on several coats of Antique White Rust-Oleum spray paint. When dried overnight, I very lightly sanded the "face" of each knob till the paint was "level" and there was no sign of any "orange peel".

I then made up some decals using my CAD program. I was able to match the font perfectly. I then ran my clear laser decal paper through my Brother laser printer. This prints the image onto the decal paper. I then applied a light coat of decal "bonder" by Testers. When dry, I applied a medium coat, then 3 more medium/heavy coats to the decals. I let them dry overnight.

I then installed the "brights" with some glue and pressed them into position.

I then carefully cut out each decal and applied them to the knobs. Carefully blotting out the excess water and smoothing the decals very flat. Again I let them dry overnight.

I then fogged on several coats of the decal bonder over the entire knob. Then followed by several medium/light coats. followed by several medium coats. When dry I installed the knobs.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco Seventeener II
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As it happens I'm going to do some decals for a jukebox that I'm fixing up.
Did you use an ink jet or a laser printer?
I will be using a laser printer which I think has less chance for the image
smearing when using an over-coating.

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