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 Post subject: Refinishing zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinet(FINISHED)
PostPosted: Jan Mon 22, 2018 2:03 pm 
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Coming soon , i will refinish 2 12s370 zenith radio console cabinets at once, maybe? life is good. :D One is mine and the other is a customer. I love these big 370,s from what I was told and what I have read that these are some beautiful sounding radios. Mine has been gone thru on the chassis and I was told it plays great. I will see soon enough, these radios will look new when I get done with them. Don't know where I will put mine because I have many radios at home already, but im sure I will find a spot for it with the others. I did thin out 25 radios last year at Sargents auction here in Dallas area. Next auction will be in march 2018 and I will sell a few more then.


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing 2 zenith 12s470 cabinets
PostPosted: Jan Mon 22, 2018 6:14 pm 
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12s370 Fred, I have one, amazing radio.


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing 2 zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Jan Sat 27, 2018 1:33 am 
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Awesome Fred!! I am right in the middle of doing one for a friend of mine... So far I have stripped it to bare wood, made repairs to the veneer, sanded with 320 grit and sprayed 3 coats of sanding sealer... Getting ready to apply grain filler this weekend and then sand it down with 600... Then onto toning and coloring... Looking forward to following along with you... And they do sound amazing... Have the chassis recapped but have yet to align it and it sounds amazing. The bass shakes the table it is sitting on...


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinet
PostPosted: Jan Mon 29, 2018 1:48 pm 
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Got the stripping done and is ready for grain filler


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing 2 zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Jan Tue 30, 2018 5:27 am 
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Yep, had to go through that same step on mine... The entire base had become seperated from the rest of the cabinet... Hard to hold that center board because of such goofy angles... I ended up drilling small pilot holes next to the holes that had been broken out where the nails where attatching it to the rest of the base and ran new nails in to hold it... What a pain! Mine must have been missing the square pieces that you have the clamps pushing on... Mine was just a thin strip substraight where 3 nails where holding it in... I think it to be original because there was no evidence of a piece of wood ever being there and the fact that it was covered with the blue Zenith dye... Must have been a Friday afternoon and someone didnt build the cabinet right...


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing 2 zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Jan Tue 30, 2018 5:59 am 
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Mine must have been missing the square pieces that you have the clamps pushing on... Mine was just a thin strip substraight where 3 nails where holding it in... I think it to be original because there was no evidence of a piece of wood ever being there and the fact that it was covered with the blue Zenith dye.


I have had 2 of these radios. Just checked the pictures of both of them and neither had the blocks to support the front. Talk about a pain!

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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing 2 zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Jan Tue 30, 2018 1:00 pm 
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Don't know about the other cabinet if it has the blocks or not, soon find out. One thing I know it was loose and needed attention. I'm sure glad the Ribs were screwed in and no glue on them. The cabinet over all was built pretty darn good, very tight veneer and heavy construction.


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing 2 zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Jan Tue 30, 2018 7:18 pm 
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Yea, they are a monster of a cabinet... Its also a pain to try and fix all of the damage to the two vertical columns with the all the ribs... Mine where beat to heck and no amount of sanding would get the damage out, just filled with wood putty and sanded as best I could... For some reason the wood they used liked to turn black when exposed to the elements... Have to use dark walnut or perfect brown to cover up the dark spots...


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing 2 zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Feb Thu 01, 2018 12:48 pm 
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Very nice radio indeed, I restored one about 20 years ago. Nice sounding radio to go along with good looks! How are you removing the stripper? Looking forward to seeing the finished cabinets Fred.

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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing 2 zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Feb Thu 01, 2018 1:24 pm 
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Hello Larry, I remove the stripper with a plastic scrapper or Bondo spreader, also lacquer thinner with sotchbrite .


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Feb Sun 04, 2018 11:46 am 
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Today I was able to get grain filler on the cabinet, I use Timbermate grain filler that can be purchased on line at amazon.com. I use the neutral color that can be stained any color. Also in this segmet I'm showing the 12 tube chassis that the customer wanted me to refinish because of the rust that has developed over the years probably from mice piss. Fist I removed the dial assembly and masked off the areas that you see covered, then I gently bead blasted the chassis, the pitted areas that were rusted I filled with glaze , then I hand sanded smooth the whole chassis then I primed with automotive grade primer, When Primer has dried then I sanded smooth with 320 grit, then I painted with rust oleum gold hammer finish paint. This procedure is fast and the quality is very good without having to disassemble the entire chassis


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Feb Mon 05, 2018 3:19 am 
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Zenith is coming right along, cabinet has been stained and toned and has 3 coats of sealer sprayed on. Next weekend I will sand the sealer smooth and apply the decals,then spray on my final coats of clear semi gloss lacquer. Chassis came out real nice, have to reassemble then that will be it.


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File comment: Gold hammed finish, rust be gone and no pitting, pitting was filled in and primed.
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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Feb Mon 05, 2018 3:23 am 
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Hello fred ,
wow that is looking great nice work


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinets
PostPosted: Feb Mon 05, 2018 3:26 am 
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Few more pics. I am not a fan of hammered paint effect but that's what zenith used. To me it just doesn't look right, if I painted a car that way the owner would fall over and ask me if I was joking or , is this candid camera or something. Looks like sever fish eye, but that's the way zenith wanted it, go figure


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinet(FINISHED
PostPosted: Feb Sun 11, 2018 5:52 am 
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I finished one cabinet and have one more to go. I will make the second one to look like its twin. Sure turned out nice.


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinet(FINISHED
PostPosted: Feb Sun 11, 2018 10:02 am 
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Fred, your work is inspirational. I've got a cabinet coming up in the next week or so (still working on the electrical restoration) - I'm aiming to have it look like this one... but my aim isn't very good :P

Thank you for sharing the cabinets you do - and for all the little hints and tips you add while doing it. I doubt very much I'm the only one who's cabinet work has improved from reading your posts here.


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 Post subject: Re: Refinishing zenith pre war 1939 12s370 cabinet(FINISHED
PostPosted: Feb Mon 12, 2018 3:26 pm 
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That cabinet probably didn't look half that good when
it came out of the factory.
Just a beautiful job.
Jim


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