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PostPosted: Sep Wed 05, 2018 5:55 pm 
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I am picking up this. I could strip and refinished the cabinet. But, I was told it should be original color. How would I restore this cabinet to like original without striping off the finish?


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Wed 05, 2018 5:56 pm 
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Here is front.


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Wed 05, 2018 6:31 pm 
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allied333 wrote:
How would I restore this cabinet to like original without striping off the finish?

That is not going to happen. Either settle for some Howards Restor-a-finish, or refinish.


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
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Scott wrote:
allied333 wrote:
How would I restore this cabinet to like original without striping off the finish?

That is not going to happen. Either settle for some Howards Restor-a-finish, or refinish.

It looks like Howards dark walnut would match my radio. I will try it. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Wed 05, 2018 10:56 pm 
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Looks like a perfect cabinet to use "The Treatment" on.
http://radioheaven.homestead.com/The_Treatment.html


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Wed 05, 2018 11:14 pm 
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Scrape the finish off.

The wood and the original finish is oxidized, a gentile sanding will reveal the color of the marquetry, stain or tone the panels to bring out highlights then seal, clear coat.

If it is a truly fine wood cabinet (few are) then it will be worth the effort. Gum wood or poplar trim will alway be opaque toned...

Be sure there is no faux or printed grain, that could get wiped out by Howard's or sanding.

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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Wed 05, 2018 11:19 pm 
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Chas wrote:
a gentile sanding

How would this be different from a Jewish sanding? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Wed 05, 2018 11:30 pm 
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fifties wrote:
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a gentile sanding

How would this be different from a Jewish sanding? :wink:
A polite faux pax amongst friends :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Wed 05, 2018 11:43 pm 
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I've got a belt sander and a 50 grit beli...

DON'T SAMD IT, it just needs cleaning and some wax.
Why ruin it?

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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
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Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
I've got a belt sander and a 50 grit beli...

DON'T SAMD IT, it just needs cleaning and some wax.
Why ruin it?

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I agree. A cleaning and Howards restore will likely make the radio look ok. I was told a refinished cabinet would distract from radio value & I recently heard the high tube count Midwest radios are fairly valuable. Front and sides are pretty good, top looks a little sketchy. Perhaps a doily would finish it off on top if it does not comes out well.


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Thu 06, 2018 5:02 pm 
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allied333 wrote:
A cleaning and Howard's restore will likely make the radio look ok. I was told a refinished cabinet would distract from radio value & I recently heard the high tube count Midwest radios are fairly valuable. Front and sides are pretty good, top looks a little sketchy. Perhaps a doily would finish it off on top if it does not comes out well.
Doily, Deco Lamp, spelter figurine, just not a plant to water... :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Thu 06, 2018 5:17 pm 
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You don't need to use howards, just use Cream degreaser hand cleaner like Goop or
Go-Jo it works great, it won't hurt any thing, it won't hurt your hands...
In the antique radio collecting hobby we call this "The Treatment"
and it works great on antique wood, plastic, metal, basically
it'll clean just about anything. if the surface is really grungy you can use
very fine 0000 steelwool to apply the cleaner, rub gently, the steelwool is
mainly intended to break the surface of the dirt so the cleaner can get in
and break it down.
Just don't rub too hard to cause the steelwool to scratch the surface.
The main cause of dirt on radios and other stuff that's been inside a home is
the build up of grease and dirt. Anywhere there's cooking going on there's
grease in the air, this air borne grease then settles of any surface, then dust
settles on the greasy surface and builds up, so on and so on...

When you get it clean use Old English scratch cover to recolor and scratches
that show base wood color.
Then use a good quality wax like Johnson's Paste Wax to protect the cleaned surface.

I've used "The Treatment" on rare 90+ year old radios and other antiques
and NEVER had a problem, I have still have the radio that used this on for
the first time more than 30 years ago and it still looks great.

Clean and Preserve instead of strip and refinish.

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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Thu 06, 2018 9:40 pm 
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Chas wrote:
Gum wood or poplar trim will alway be opaque toned...


I am going to say that this is not always the case.

Gum was the most popular wood used in furniture thru the 1940's. By volume, it was used 3 to 4 times more than walnut or mahagony. The reason that it was so popular was that the heartwood, called Red Gum, was a good match for walnut and even mahagony, so it could be finished and it would match veneers very well. It also has a very nice grain of it's own. It is also a closed grain wood that required no pore filler.

There are many examples of cabinets that were stained and clear coated with no toner used. EH Scott, Zenith and other sets I own have a clear finish over the stained gum with no toner, though the factory may have used a translucent toner in some cases to get a better match. On these radios, you can see the wood grain in the gum just like you see the grain in the walnut and mahagony.

Finding Red Gum wood is nearly impossible now as it was over harvested. Veneer seems to be readily available though.

As for poplar, I have never seen it used on the exterior of any of the radio cabinets I have worked on, though it was used extensively in furniture as a secondary wood for things like cabinet draws and other parts that were not seen from the outside of the furniture. Poplar is a very soft wood and I would never think of using it for any furniture.

To the original poster, I can see where the finish is completely missing in spots, especially the top. There is nothing you can do to make it better other than strip and apply new lacquer. You may be happy with the results after hitting it with Howards, but ultimately, you will never be able to make it look new again.


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
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Scott wrote:
Chas wrote:
Gum wood or poplar trim will alway be opaque toned...


I am going to say that this is not always the case.

Gum was the most popular wood used in furniture thru the 1940's. By volume, it was used 3 to 4 times more than walnut or mahagony. The reason that it was so popular was that the heartwood, called Red Gum, was a good match for walnut and even mahagony, so it could be finished and it would match veneers very well. It also has a very nice grain of it's own. It is also a closed grain wood that required no pore filler.

There are many examples of cabinets that were stained and clear coated with no toner used. EH Scott, Zenith and other sets I own have a clear finish over the stained gum with no toner, though the factory may have used a translucent toner in some cases to get a better match. On these radios, you can see the wood grain in the gum just like you see the grain in the walnut and mahagony.

Finding Red Gum wood is nearly impossible now as it was over harvested. Veneer seems to be readily available though.

As for poplar, I have never seen it used on the exterior of any of the radio cabinets I have worked on, though it was used extensively in furniture as a secondary wood for things like cabinet draws and other parts that were not seen from the outside of the furniture. Poplar is a very soft wood and I would never think of using it for any furniture.

To the original poster, I can see where the finish is completely missing in spots, especially the top. There is nothing you can do to make it better other than strip and apply new lacquer. You may be happy with the results after hitting it with Howards, but ultimately, you will never be able to make it look new again.

I may just refinish the top. Sides and front look good.


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Fri 07, 2018 10:22 am 
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allied333 wrote:
I may just refinish the top. Sides and front look good.

That is fine. I would use a cabinet scraper to carefully scrape off the finish without taking the pore filler with it. You can probably even leave the stain intact if you are really careful.


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
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Scott wrote:
allied333 wrote:
I may just refinish the top. Sides and front look good.

That is fine. I would use a cabinet scraper to carefully scrape off the finish without taking the pore filler with it. You can probably even leave the stain intact if you are really careful.

Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Sun 09, 2018 12:53 pm 
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I cleaned the radio cabinet. Nothing to lose, I applied a coat of Miniwax poly shield. It restored the wood nicely. It has a nice shine on the sides & front vs the untreated dull look. After dries I will place a second coating. When that dries, I will coat with tung oil two or three times. Tung oil brings even more shine.
The top is another matter as the original lacquer has lifted and color was lost on a few spots the size of a grapefruit. I may just paint it black like the top side trim.


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Sun 09, 2018 6:56 pm 
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You should never use oil, it will never fully dry. It will stay sticky
and will continue to collect dust.
Wax is the best final finish, it will fully dry and allow dust to be wiped
off instead of sticking to oil.
Ask any antique furniture and they'll tell you not to use oil.

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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
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Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
You should never use oil.


To add to what Ron said, you should never use polyurethane either for that matter.


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 Post subject: Re: Restore Cabinet
PostPosted: Sep Sun 09, 2018 10:40 pm 
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Ron in Radio Heaven wrote:
You should never use oil, it will never fully dry. It will stay sticky
and will continue to collect dust.
Wax is the best final finish, it will fully dry and allow dust to be wiped
off instead of sticking to oil.
Ask any antique furniture and they'll tell you not to use oil.

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OK, but the Tung oil is dry, not sticky. Dust wont stick to it. It is on my Wards console. In fact Tung oil gives a deep shine unlike any paste was would perform. It's Tung oil for me.


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