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 Post subject: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Wed 07, 2018 4:50 am 
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Picked this up today.

What do I need to know before I start the restore process? It came with records and needles. I'm pretty sure the spring is broken but I havent opened it up yet.


I can't add pictures right now for some reason. I'll add them tomorrow.

Here's what it should look like....


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Wed 07, 2018 3:20 pm 
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Here's what I have.....


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Thu 08, 2018 3:50 pm 
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No advice eh?

Well, for giggles I hand spun a record and it sounds a bit haunting. I love it.

I figured the main spring had broken since I've had a lot of experience repairing mechanical clocks. . So I opened it up and both gears (on either side of the main spring) had come off their attach points (Locking the gears back on was relatively easy) and one spring had broken it's retainer. This is good because I can just make a hole or hook in the spring and get a new set screw to hold it where it broke. That appears to be the only thing wrong with it....aside from aesthetics.

Is there a source for parts if I need them? Since the thing is built like a clock I figured there would be surplus somewhere. EDIT: I found this place. http://www.victroladoctor.com/


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Sun 11, 2018 4:10 am 
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I have owned one of these for several years. Sadly the legs were chopped off before I bought it, and the cabinet has seem better days, BUT the thing sounds great!
With the volume up full (ie, the doors wide open) and with a loud tone needle, it fills my basement with sound.
A couple of things.
1. ALWAYS change the needle after playing one side of a record.
2. Only play acoustically recorded 78's on it.
If you play later 78s, the weight of the tone arm will really wear them out quickly. The earlier 78s had an abrasive mixed into the shellac so that the wear would be on the needle rather than the record. Packages of new needles are readily available and very cheap.
Have fun!
Bob


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Sun 11, 2018 8:33 am 
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Bob Bell wrote:
I have owned one of these for several years...
2. Only play acoustically recorded 78's on it.
If you play later 78s, the weight of the tone arm will really wear them out quickly. The earlier 78s had an abrasive mixed into the shellac so that the wear would be on the needle rather than the record. Packages of new needles are readily available and very cheap.
Have fun!
Bob


Actually this Brunswick Panatrope is a post-1925 phonograph, and was intended to play electrically recorded records, as well as the older acoustic records. If all is functioning well and correctly restored, electrically recorded records from 1925-c.1930 should play quite nicely on this unit.


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Mon 12, 2018 3:28 pm 
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dennman6 wrote:

Actually this Brunswick Panatrope is a post-1925 phonograph, and was intended to play electrically recorded records, as well as the older acoustic records. If all is functioning well and correctly restored, electrically recorded records from 1925-c.1930 should play quite nicely on this unit.



Is the arm supposed to have a spring or something to keep the weight off of the record because it seems to me that it would cut a groove straight through anything softer than those older records. In fact I was a little scared at first because it seemed so harsh compared to the seemingly ultralight feel of today's tone arms and needles.


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Mon 12, 2018 3:30 pm 
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Bob Bell wrote:
I have owned one of these for several years. Sadly the legs were chopped off before I bought it, and the cabinet has seem better days, BUT the thing sounds great!
With the volume up full (ie, the doors wide open) and with a loud tone needle, it fills my basement with sound.
A couple of things.
1. ALWAYS change the needle after playing one side of a record.
2. Only play acoustically recorded 78's on it.
If you play later 78s, the weight of the tone arm will really wear them out quickly. The earlier 78s had an abrasive mixed into the shellac so that the wear would be on the needle rather than the record. Packages of new needles are readily available and very cheap.
Have fun!
Bob


What kind of life should I get out of a needle then? Just one side of a record?


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Mon 12, 2018 7:55 pm 
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What kind of life should I get out of a needle then? Just one side of a record?


That's correct .... one side per needle. (Disclosure: when I was a kid I would cheat and turn the needle 180 degrees).
The idea is that the record acts as a lathe upon the needle and wears the needle down. Remember, the early records had an abrasive material mixed into the shellac to do just that. (Rather than the needle wearing the record down). Once the needle IS worn, it won't track quite as well as when it was pristine, and will then potentially start to damage the record.

These needles are very cheap and easy to obtain - certainly easier to find than the 78s ......

Bob


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Mon 12, 2018 8:01 pm 
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Is the arm supposed to have a spring or something to keep the weight off of the record because it seems to me that it would cut a groove straight through anything softer than those older records. In fact I was a little scared at first because it seemed so harsh compared to the seemingly ultralight feel of today's tone arms and needles.



No spring. It is indeed a very heavy tone arm. But as explained in earlier posts, the records were designed to take the weight. Nevertheless, I am sure that these records will indeed last longer if used with modern lightweight tone arms.

I use my Brunswick Seville, which is incidentally, a 1925 model, and it looks just the same as JonnyCzar's, to play period records that are not rare collector's items. I play the hard to find / good condition records on modern equipment.

Bob


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Mon 12, 2018 10:11 pm 
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Ok, that all makes sense. Thank you so much for the information. I really like the look and feel of this thing. The fact that it's all mechanical is really appealing to me as well. It pairs well with my clocks.


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Tue 13, 2018 3:41 pm 
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A couple of questions....

1: What are the three cups for specifically? I know at least one holds spare needles, but why 3?

2: If I remove the grill there is the serial number stamped inside along with another number. What does that number mean?

Thanks,
Jon


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Tue 13, 2018 4:01 pm 
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Three needle cups are for: Loud needles, Soft needles, and Used needles.

-David


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 Post subject: Re: Brunswick Seville
PostPosted: Feb Tue 13, 2018 4:43 pm 
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dberman51 wrote:
Three needle cups are for: Loud needles, Soft needles, and Used needles.

-David


That makes sense. Thanks.

I found the answer to my other question. It's the lot number. Mine happens to be 911.

I haven't found a model number though. Is there one? Or is it simply a "Seville"?


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