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sofaslug
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| Posted: Nov Thu 05, 2009 12:32 am |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Ar ... 0480419035
The seller writes:
Please Read Entire Auction Before Bidding!!!!
I JUST HAD AN INEXPERIENCED BUYER LEAVE ME A NEGATIVE BECAUSE HE DID NOT READ HIS AUCTION OR LOOK AT PICS OF THE ITEM. I TAKE A LOT OF TIME WRITING DETAILS & TAKING LOTS OF PICS FOR EVERY AUCTION SO BUYERS KNOW JUST EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE BUYING!!!
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO READ THE COMPLETE AUCTION & lOOK AT PICS....THEN DON'T BOTHER TO BID PLEASE......ALSO, IF YOU DON'T LIKE TO AT LEAST TELL A SELLER WHEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM THEN DON'T BID...IF I MISREPRESENT SOMETHING I WILL MAKE IT RIGHT...I AM HUMAN....I WILL CORRECT MY MISTAKES....IF I DON'T KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT AN ITEM I WILL SAY SO IN AUCTION AND I ENCOURAGE QUESTIONS...SO PLEASE ASK!!
I suppose I should write and ask her to point out one thing on this radio that makes it look Art Deco.
Whadda Maroon. 
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Hey Bob,
Good good catch........
Art Deco ????
Isn't that one more of a "cubist" or "minimalist" design?
I love the way some (most) people on eBay throw around Art Deco or Streamlined or other such words to try to grab your attention.
I would be more drawn to: Check out these knockers !!!!!
even if it was in the audio, radio, phonograph section.... I would look..... 
of course the joke would be on me if the guy or gal was actually selling a huge set of brass door knockers........
Jeff
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"shabby chic" Her ignorance is killing her credibility in the long haul, someone should point this out to her. Imo your better off playing like you know nothing about a radio.
ugh!\
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John Bartley
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What is "Art Deco" Does anyone have a solid definition, possibly some examples?
cheers
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Doug VanCleave
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The term Art Deco has been redefined to mean anything old looking.
Even among members of this forum the curves of the '30s Streamline Moderne style are regularly referred to as Art Deco.
True Art Deco as originally defined is squarer with stair step, zigzag, striped, chevron, sky-scraper, sun burst looking design elements. Aztec and southwest designs are closer to Art Deco design than Streamline. True Art deco is more likely to be found in designs of the '20s and early '30s. Like a stone in a stream of water, A waterfall design element is Streamline Moderne but I’m sure many people would disagree.
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Ebay should start charging people to use the words "art deco" they would make enough to lower fees.
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You all missed it....it's that streamlined, gently molded piece of bakelite/catalin/plaskon/other on the side
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| Doug VanCleave wrote: | The term Art Deco has been redefined to mean anything old looking.
Even among members of this forum the curves of the '30s Streamline Moderne style are regularly referred to as Art Deco.
True Art Deco as originally defined is squarer with stair step, zigzag, striped, chevron, sky-scraper, sun burst looking design elements. Aztec and southwest designs are closer to Art Deco design than Streamline. True Art deco is more likely to be found in designs of the '20s and early '30s. Like a stone in a stream of water, A waterfall design element is Streamline Moderne but I’m sure many people would disagree. |
Art deco is generally applied to machine age geometric ornamentation APPLIED to an article, rather in the same manner as was Victorian or Jugendstil ornimnet was applied. Art Moderne tends to be more organic, more a matter of basic form than of ornamnet. As an example, the Chrysler Building could well be called Art Deco http://www.photo-paysage.com/a ... ilding.jpg , whilst the Johnson Wax building would more properly be called Art Moderne http://www.steinerag.com/flw/B ... ax1978.jpg .
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If you do an Internet search for phrases like "art deco design," "moderne design," "machine age design," "streamline design," etc., you will find no shortage of definitions. Some of them are fuzzy, and may overlap others. I think these terms were more useful at the time than they are now. Even then, I doubt there was universal agreement on what each term meant, or whether it was even valid.
In legal settings, there is a concept of "puffery" -- advertising language that sounds cool but doesn't actually mean anything. Mere puffery doesn't make you liable for false advertising.
In the eBay context, terms like Art Deco are like the "fresher" colors you get when using the "new" Oxydol. Nobody in his right mind believes that this language has real meaning.
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RJM
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I thought Art deco was a phrase coined up in the 60's to describe Art Moderne . I have not seen the Art deco phrase used in any 20's, 30's or, 40's magazines. Only Art Moderne, streamlined Moderne and the French Art Nouveau.
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| RJM wrote: | I thought Art deco was a phrase coined up in the 60's to describe Art Moderne . I have not seen the Art deco phrase used in any 20's, 30's or, 40's magazines. Only Art Moderne, streamlined Moderne and the French Art Nouveau.
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You're right that the phrase became popular in the mid-to-late 1960's, though I don't think that it was necessarily confined to Art Moderne. There really aren't that many radios that are truly Deco in style -- some Midwest and RCA consoles come to mind, as well as the Sparton Nocturne, Bluebird, and Sled. The 1935 chrome Zeniths such as the 835 are probably the most Deco offerings from that company, with the 193 and 1937's progressively less so. The 1938 Waltons and 15U269 console are nice examples of Machine Age design. The Fada bullets are good examples of Streamline Moderne.
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RJM
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I think the phrase Art Deco to most people mean a geometrically shaped eye appealing design.
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| RJM wrote: | I think the phrase Art Deco to most people mean a geometrically shaped eye appealing design.
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And this radio certainly has an appealing geometric design -- the rectangle.
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People like using the wrong word or a clever simile to describe an item in an effort to sound knowledgeable and make their rummage more attractive. Another person picks up on the buzz and passes it along. He heard it on the internet so it has to be fact. Before you know it records are being called vinyl, round CRT TV sets become port holes and any filthy old thing becomes Art Deco.
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RJM
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Don't forget RCA cables are now interconnects
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Bob[/quote]
And this radio certainly has an appealing geometric design -- the rectangle.
It could be if you look at in a certain way, drinking a certain thing.
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| It's also one of the biggest pains in the rear to service and align. I have nothing but nasty words to say about the GE 140. |
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You can discuss the definition of the term art deco till the cows come home. That thing is abought as far from it as a rectangular brick can get. In a chic moderne sort of way, of course.
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