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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Jan Tue 18, 2005 2:01 pm 
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Hello all,<P>I recently acquired a Post-War RCA console TV set. I've done a fair amount of reseach over the past week, and can come up with nothing on this particular model.<P>The unit is a RCA model #9-TW-390. It it consists of a TV, a radio (AM/FM/Shortwave), a 10"/12" record changer, and a 45 RPM record changer. The paperwork that came with this TV suggests that it was delievered to someone in north Jersey in October 1949.<P>I'm looking for any information anyone can supply, as I can find nothing on the internet, but I am looking to answers to certain questions:<P>1) Why can't I find anything about this set? Even <A HREF="http://www.tvhistory.tv" TARGET=_blank>www.tvhistory.tv</A> has no record of this model.<P>2) Why does this model have two seperate record players in it?<P>3) How many of this model did they produce?<P>4) How much is this monster worth? (It's roughly the size of a 1950's tract house) I sprained my back getting it into the house, so I hope it's worth something, as it will make my back feel better. <IMG SRC="http://antiqueradios.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>5) Does anyone recomend any book(s) on early TV sets (with values)?<P>Thanks in advance,<P>Bob Young <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Jan Thu 20, 2005 4:03 am 
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The use of 2 changers was common place in that era, from what I see.<BR>They had not combined the ability to run different speed and size records on one changer. Just finished an antique radio with 2 changers in it also.<P>There are at least 2 books out on old TV sets I have seen. They also list some value info., if I remember right.<P>EIA might have the production info.- or the FCC.<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Jan Thu 20, 2005 4:40 am 
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Hi Bob,<P>I checked my copy of Collector Guide to Vintage TVs (1999) and it had no listing of that model number.<P>As to value. Just lifting that beast it should be worth at least 2k!!!<P>The sets I have seen that are that size go for about $100 if you can find someone that has the room for a set that large.<P>TVs seem to have a much lower price range than radios.<P>That being said I have a dozen of them and I find I just like to restore them. So no matter how much or little a book tells me its worth I buy and restore them because I like that set.<P>Just my 2 cents.<BR>Tom Guest<BR><P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Jan Thu 20, 2005 10:16 am 
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Hello Bob, <P>I have seen a few sets like that pass through eBay so it's probably not terribly rare although any set from 1949 can be said to be rare relatively speaking <IMG SRC="http://antiqueradios.com/forums/smile.gif"> <P>RCA had just come out with the 45RPM record about that time and I would guess it was easier or quicker to add one of their little changers then it was to engineer a whole new changer.<P>Just curious, does the other changer play 33's?<P>"5) Does anyone recomend any book(s) on early TV sets (with values)?"<P>Yes but they are all out of date:<P>Harry Posters Radio & television Price Guide 2nd edition 1994.<P>The Collectors Guide to Vintage Televisions by Brian Durbal & Glenn Bubenheimer 1999.<P>Classic TV's Pre War thru 1950's from LW Book Sales 1997<P><BR>Eric<P><P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Jan Thu 20, 2005 10:53 am 
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<font>quote:</font><HR>does the other changer play 33's?<HR>
Not unless the other changer's been changed! RCA's long playing 33 format was a failure in the early thirties and in 1949 Nipper had no interest in helping Columbia sell the microgroove LPs which had been introduced the previous year. In RCA combinations (with or without TV) of 1949 it was either "The RCA system of recorded music" alone, or there was a 78 player in another drawer.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://tvontheporch.com" TARGET=_blank>http://tvontheporch.com</A>


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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Jan Fri 21, 2005 11:24 pm 
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bump<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://tvontheporch.com" TARGET=_blank>http://tvontheporch.com</A>


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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Jan Tue 25, 2005 2:22 am 
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In 1950 the setup on a number of those RCA 2 changer sets was to have one turntable that played 33 and 78 (960282 or 960284) and the other was the typical RCA RP168 or RP190 45 player.<P>------------------<BR>Brian McAllister<BR>Sarasota FL<BR> <A HREF="http://oldtech.net" TARGET=_blank>http://oldtech.net</A><BR>bkm@oldtech.net


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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Jan Wed 26, 2005 9:11 pm 
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Hi Bob,<BR>This set was covered by RCA Service Data 1949 No. T7, about 20 pages long. The copy I have is in the hardbound 1949 "RCA Redbook". It uses radio chassis RC617A and television chassis KCS31-1, and was available in Walnut, Mahogany and "Toasted Mahogany" finishes.<P>This beast uses a whopping 38 tubes, not counting the 16AP4 CRT. Total power consumption is 310 watts. AM/FM/SW/Television/Phonograph, its specifications indicate it weighs 228 lbs. (shipping weight was 305 lbs. including the plywood carton!) Audio output is rated 11 watts, two 6V6GT's in push/pull with a 12" PM speaker. It used record changers RP177B (78 rpm only) and RP168A (45 rpm).<P>This set also uses the RCA "Magic Monitor", which consists of three separate tubes on the rear of the chassis to control the high frequency components of the audio signal during phono operation. Basically, the Magic Monitor was a "scratch suppressor", and can be made operative/inoperative by a separate pushbutton on the front panel.<P>I am sorry I don't have any data on the original selling price. But it was certainly top-of-the-line in the RCA lineup for model year 1949, and was no doubt priced accordingly.<P>------------------<BR>Poston


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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Feb Mon 07, 2005 4:22 am 
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The use of the separate 45 RPM changer was the big deal in the 1949 model sets. The firat digit in the model number tells that it was a '49 model set. There was also a 9TW333 model, with a 10 inch television set. As stated above, Sarnoff was miffed at Columbia's Microgroove LP records, and the fact that Dr. Goldmark leapfrogged RCA on the new records. RCA never advocated using anything but the 45 RPM changer for the new 45 discs, as they were "made for each other". <P>But the irony of this was that RCA had developed the 45 RPM system starting in 1939, and had it ready to produce during the WWII days. They didn't release the system after the war, because they were selling lots of shellac discs, and saw no point in coming out with the new system...that is, until Columbia aced them with their LP discs. Sarnoff was bitter as H--l about it, and offered only a 78 RPM changer in his '49 model sets. Then, some time in 1950, the 33.3 RPM speed appeared on RCA's changers, and 33.3 RPM LP discs in their dealers' stores. <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: 1949 RCA Victor Console Television
PostPosted: Feb Mon 07, 2005 11:37 am 
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There were (not surprisingly) no Columbia 45s in 1949 either. But there <I>were</I> some Columbia 33 1/3 RPM 7" singles! I seem to recall a legal ruling of 1950 that finally compelled RCA, Columbia et al to press recordings in all three speeds, but I read about that at least 25 years ago and can't recall the details.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://tvontheporch.com" TARGET=_blank>http://tvontheporch.com</A>


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