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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Mon 23, 2006 10:13 am 
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Hello,here is my latest project.I recently purchased the electronics from a 1948 windsor imperial off Ebay ,complete with 50 watt amp,receiver with optional dynamic noise filter I believe that the filter was manufactured by H.H. scott for Magnavox and intergrated fm,also came with origonal 15 inch.base, 8 cell horn tweeter and crossover, I even got the tags from the windsor cabinet.<BR>next I needed a cabinet and low and behold a Regency symphony shows up on Ebay just before Christmas and only an hour from my house.Well I got it carefully removed the origonal electronics and boxed up and installed the components from the windsor<BR>all components less the speakers were a drop in fit as both consoles were built in 1948 and the regency could be ordered with a similar reciever and amp except only 25 watts output.I would normally never alter an origonal radio but I feel that this is one Magnavox should have offered as it takes up much less space than the windsor breakfront cabinet.plus I didn't alter the cabinet although I did have to assemble a frame work to handle the speaker arangement. <BR>if anyone has any information, history or thoughts on these units I would love to here from you<BR>regerds<BR>George<P> <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_12.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_12.jpg</A> <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_6.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_6.jpg</A> <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/IMG_2975.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/IMG_2975.jpg</A> <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_11.thumb.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_11.thumb.jpg</A> <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_3.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_3.jpg</A> <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Mon 23, 2006 9:44 pm 
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Hi George,<P>I agree with you, a 1948 Magnavox Regency Symphony is a great radio and I would normally never consider altering one. But if you were lucky enough to acquire the speakers and electronics from a Windsor Imperial, then I would make an exception in this case, as you have done. And congratulations on an excellent installation job, you have an outstanding radio. <P>The Windsor Imperial used chassis AMP-111D and CR-211. It uses four 6L6 outputs in parallel push/pull, also two 5U4G rectifiers and a 6U5 eye tube, for a total of 19 tubes. The horns and speakers are alone a valuable find. The Magnavox 8-cell exponential horns have been known to fetch upwards of $1000 on eBay. The 15" field-coil woofers are valuable also. And original sales literature and/or Owner's Manuals have also sold separately for as much as $100. <P>The Windsor Imperial used the H.H.Scott "Dynaural" dynamic noise suppressor, as you mention. The original record changer was a Webster-Chicago 56 (78 rpm only) but after the summer of 1948 this was changed to the 256, which was two speeds. The original cabinets were made for Magnavox by Drexel. I have been told that the 1948 Windsor Imperial retailed for $895, although I do not have any written documentation of this. In comparison, in 1947 the Regency Symphony retailed at around $375. Other 1947/1948 Magnavox models which used cabinets similar to the Regency Symphony included the "Provincial", the "Georgian" (single 12" speaker) and the Berkeley (two 12" speakers).<P>Doug Houston is very knowledgeable about these postwar Magnavox consoles. Maybe he will weigh in here with additional information? <P>------------------<BR>Poston


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Mon 23, 2006 10:12 pm 
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Poston, you are correct on the model numbers on the amp and reciever, however to my suprize the horn is a field coil type and the base speaker is pm type.I also installed the 256 changer from the windsor just to keep all the origonal parts together.<P>George<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Mon 23, 2006 10:29 pm 
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George,<P>As you probably already know, service data for the AMP-111 and CR-211 was in SAMS Photofact 68-10, published in August 1949. This is one of those rare cases where both chassis were covered in the same Photofact, usually on 2-chassis Magnavox models there are two individual Photofacts. Anyway, I took a look at the schematic and parts list and you are correct, the 15" speaker is a PM unit with 16 ohm impedance. I am surprised at this, as all the other late 1940's Magnavox consoles which I have owned or serviced used field-coil speakers. But I have never seen a Windsor Imperial. On the "Modern Symphony" (Chassis CR-198), Magnavox used two 12" field-coil speakers (5 ohm impedance) with the fields in series.<P>By the way, what is the RMA code number on the 15" speaker? Was it built by Magnavox, or by Jensen?<P>------------------<BR>Poston


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Tue 24, 2006 12:06 am 
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It's a tragedy that another Windsor cabinet has gone the way to the furniture barbarians. The Windsor is a magnificent creation, and I'm fortunate to have one. <P>But the Regency Symphony is also a fine creation, and even if I had an unmounted Windsor chassis, I'd never try to put it in a R-S cabinet. I'd try to find a Windsor cabinet. I once had a Regency ymphony in walnut, which you never see. Like an idiot, I sold it, and I've regretted it ever since. <P>I believe that the noise suppressor in the Windsor was optional. I've known of them without it. Mine has it, fortunately. <P>It doesn't mean anything here, but in the 1941-42 years, Magnavox had a sim,ilar line to the postwar line. I have a prewar Regency-Symphony, which looks ALMOST like the postwar model. It has a single chassis, with 2 6L6 driving the speakers. I also have a prewar Maggie FM tuner chassis for those sets. I've recapped the chassis, and it's sensational. The changer in the high level Maggies was the Webster-Chicago 3 post "slicer" changer. It was beautiful when it was new, but it's almost completely die castings, and finding a good one is nigh on impossible. <P>The Webster 56 and its descendents was a very fine changer; smooth as silk, and quick. The only changers that were better than it were the Garrard RC-80 and the Thorens (O.K., and the Capehart, if you want to get sticky!)<P>Let's hope you can find a Windsor cabinet. <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Tue 24, 2006 3:25 am 
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Hi George,<P>Nice job. I would do the same to my Regency Symphony. Not may people realize how nice that wide band AM receiver sounds.<BR>I modified mine by installing two coaxially mounted 4-inch paper cone tweeters on the crossbar in front of the 12-inch speakers. I also installed a magnetic cartridge and a one tube pre-amp. I replaced the volume control with a special 3-gang loudness control kit. Mine didn't come with the factory installed FM tuner but I found an Eico that fits and works well.<P>Mine sits in the foyer and welcomes all who enter. The cabinet gets many comments.<P>Doug<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/drv_48072/DSCN0871.JPG"> <P> <IMG SRC="http://www.geocities.com/drv_48072/DSCN0859.JPG"> <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Tue 24, 2006 3:28 am 
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Poston ,the numbers on the speaker are as follows: 1d2999 p232-848 582999<BR>looks like it's magnavox but not sure.how about the horn the tag says magnavox but looks like it could be lansing ? it is made from brazed sheet metal and filled with somthing heavy.Was this horn and driver used in any other application? here are a few more pics of my two Regency's .sorry I have mixed the photo's of the two at the top of the thread but they are all in the photo gallery any way.<P>Doug,did I purchased a 1948 magnavox sales brocure from you on Ebay a year or so ago ? <BR> <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Magnavox&id=MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_9" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Magnavox&id=MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_9</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_7a.thumb.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/MAGNAVOX_MAGNAVOX_REGENCY_SYMPHONY_7a.thumb.jpg</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/IMG_7193.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Magnavox/IMG_7193.jpg</A> <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Tue 24, 2006 4:24 am 
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I was given one of those many years ago . It was like brand new , four 6L6 and 2 big 12`` speakers in mono . It was a powerfull sounding thing .<BR>The cabinet was a light cherry color .<BR>I sold it to a family who last i knew are still using it . <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Tue 24, 2006 6:54 am 
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Doug VanCleave, was it you that posted an article on rebuilding a regency Symphony?.if so it was very helpful in the rebuilding of my unit and I thank you.the pics you posted of your regency look great, nice home I might add too.I also have a console in the foyer A scott 800b although some feel it is no more than a glorified dresser I rather enjoy it I feel that the post war 1946-50 scott's and Magnavox's are some of the most overlooked high end radio's out there.the postwar consumer market was up for grabs and these two I feel were in a class of their own.below are a couple of links to the scott.<BR>regards<BR>George <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Scott/IMG_1420.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Scott/IMG_1420.jpg</A> <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Scott/46_SCOTT_800B_2_001.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/albums/Scott/46_SCOTT_800B_2_001.jpg</A> <P> <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Tue 24, 2006 3:02 pm 
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George,<P>I posted some pictures of this one a while back on another Regency Symphony thread but I didn't say too much about its resurrection. I got this one and a Magnavox Provincial console for $20 each from a Detroit estate liquidator almost 20 years ago. They have been overlooked by collectors but that keeps the prices down for those of us who appreciate them.<BR>Your Scott is beautiful. Try to find a mahogany veneered cabinet today for less than a months pay. Glorified dresser my tail! I'd like a Scott to play with but I have limited space. Heaven help me if one shows up locally.<P>Doug <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Tue 24, 2006 5:48 pm 
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George,<P>582999 is the Magnavox part number for this speaker. The RMA code number 232-848 indicates that it was built by Magnavox in the 48th week of 1948.<P>The exponential horn was Magnavox part number 580006. According to SAMS Photofact it had an impedance of 26 ohms. The only way to confirm who actually built it would be to find an RMA code on it, as you did on the speaker. I am not aware of any application of this horn other than the Windsor Imperial. But you can be sure that if it was indeed built in-house by Magnavox, then there would have been NO other application other than in their own sets. <P>I suspect that the 15" PM 16-ohm speaker might have had other applications. I say this because the Photofact indicates that there was a Jensen replacement for it, part no. ST-654, MOD.P15-N. It is unlikely that Jensen would have manufactured a speaker unique to a single Magnavox model, since Magnavox was making the same speaker in-house. So there must have been other applications, either in other manufacturer's sets and/or as a separate component for custom work.<P>In the 1950's Magnavox also used 15" PM speakers in their top equipment, built in-house at Ft. Wayne, but these were 4 ohm impedance. Toward the end of the tube era and through the solid-state years, Magnavox switched to Jensen as supplier for these 15" speakers. <P>------------------<BR>Poston


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 Post subject: console Magnavox never built
PostPosted: Jan Wed 25, 2006 2:50 am 
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As a fatter of mact, somewhere in the days of the Astro-Sonic Maggies, around 1968 or so, they were buying speakers from Carbonneau, in Grand Rapids, Mich. I had a friend in the business of manufacturing little electronic things, and he had a connection with Carbonneau. He was buying speakers from them for something. He told me that he could buy 15 inch speakers that Carbonneau was building for Magnavox for something like 8 bucks apiece. I had him get me 8 of them, and I built two speaker cabinets for them.<P> It seemed strange at the time, that Magnavox was a foremost speaker manufacturer and going outside for speakers, of all things, but there it was!<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: Magnavox speaker sources
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Magnavox was a major manufacturer of loudspeakers, and the primary source for their own brand of radios, phonographs, and tv sets. They had speaker plants in Ft wayne, IN and Padukah, KY.
In the fifties, they purchased many horn tweeters from Jensen. Occasionally, if they had cone speaker production shortages, they would go to outside vendors like Rola or Jensen.
Around 1961, Magnavox sold their Padukah speaker plant to CTS
(Chicago Telephone Supply), and the EIA code changed from 232 (Magnavox) to 137 (CTS). They were still labeled "Magnavox" in Magnavox products, and were undergoing changes in basket design and magnet types (Alnico to Ceramic).
Since CTS was not a captive vendor, Magnavox was free to purchase speakers outside, and they then sourced speakers from CTS, Carbonneau, Jensen, Rola, Heppner (primarily horn tweeters), and others.
The field coil multi-cell horn tweeter used in the Winsor Imperial was, I believe, made by Stephens


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While in Fla a few years ago, I bought a Maggie 'Regency Symphony' that was local for $75. It had the optional FM and as I recall, 2-12"speakers.

It took alot of work to get it recapped and playing and at that time I was not into dreadnaughts of that brand and I ended up giving the radio away for free to some local collectors.

Now I am inspired to learn more of the top of the Maggie line,which appears to be the 'Windsor Imperial' which I know nothing about.

I personally enjoy learning and reading about these old showcase radios and this might be a good one to start looking for. A google search today did not turn up much about them. I hope some more knowledgeable folks here will add to this thread about these old Maggie's.

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There was an ensemble that Magnavox sold, named: Windsor Imperial. From pictures I'd seen of it, the set was a Windsor, with a television receiver set on top of the Windsor. I think that this is what is referred to as the Windsor Imperial. I hope that Randy Bassham weighs in on this, 'cause he's the expert authority on these Maggies.

I've seen a Windsor chassis, crowded into a Regency-Symphony cabinet (a postwar version), and the chassis and panel look like they don't belong together. The Windsor chassis is bigger than the original R-S chassis, and is a butchered conversion.

I have a postwar Windsor and a prewar Regency-Symphony. They're handsome creations, and I'd never think of hacking up either one of them to make something that hey were never meant to be.

There's a spare Windsor chassis here on a shelf, awaiting a gutted Windsor cabinet some day. I don't need a second one, but I'd restore one.


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 Post subject: 1948 Windsor Imperial
PostPosted: Mar Thu 24, 2011 12:45 pm 
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I just purchased a Windsor Imperial at an estate sale for $45, just because my wife likes antiques and wanted something to go in our spare bedroom. Got it home and someone had cut the power cord on it. I went to the local hardware store and purchased 6 foot of cord, spliced it in, turned it on and it worked! The plug for the phonograph (4 pin) was bent and disconnected so I have to find one of those to replace and see if it too works. It has the needle so it probably works. The first 6L6 vacuum tube bade "flashes" when it initially was turned on so I'm looking for one of those to replace it with. After several minutes of operations, I turned it off and back on, the then first tube (same one) made a few flashes the went out. The amp, which is an AMP111 started smoking a little so I unplugged it and investigated.
I pulled the amp assembly out and looked at the back/bottom of it and nothing appeared burned but I know that 1st tube isn't any good anymore.
My questions are; 1) is it possible I may have wired the wrong side of the wire to each other? 2) where can I find some more 6L6 tubes? 3) is the complete amp available somehwere, maybe rebuilt? and finally, anybody know what this is worth, in working condition (of course)?
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When a tube begins to have arcs inside, for God's sake, turn the fool thing off, pull that tube, and throw it across the street.

There should be lots of guys on this board, who will sell you a 6L6.

Find out what made the smoke, and if it isn't the power transformer (and you'd best pray that it isn't!), fix whatever it is. Just plugging in a radio that you just bought is sure curtains for the set.

This hobby isn't cheap. If you're going to fool around with pink plastic clock radios, go ahead and burn up all you want, but if you're going to start fiddling around with high quality creations like this thing, get it straight that you have to spend time and money on them, and that you'll end up with something that not just everyone can have.


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I have 2 Imperial Windsors (if you have to ask why, you're obviously not a diehard collector).

Apparently they were available with the 15" dynamic speaker and PM horn or as in my case the 15" PM speaker and the dynamic horn speaker.

One unit has the 2 speed changer.

New price on this beast was $1,495 in 1948.

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It sounds like you've found out why they cut the cord off!

Seriously, this set sounds like it needs to be gone through. Simply swapping in a tube or two isn't going to fix the problem (shorted caps, etc)..

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