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 Post subject: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
PostPosted: Jan Wed 01, 2020 2:18 am 
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My Philco PT-6 radio is painted white. All photos I have seen depict a natural wood finish. Before stripping I wish to know if this radio could have been manufactured with a white paint finish and not had the white paint added later by an owner. Thanks!










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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
PostPosted: Jan Wed 01, 2020 1:45 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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I looked at this one on ebay- https://www.ebay.com/itm/Philco-PT-6/32 ... Swehdc2fMv Not pretty but looks untouched. Notice that it has a label on the bottom that shows the model and tubes. IF it was factory work, the label would be over the paint, obviously. And the back is black on this one. And also if the bottom was painted at the factory, the screw heads would not be painted. You have to maybe do detective work here seeing how the work looks, even though it does not seem to be a factory option. Like if there is overspray on the inside of the case that covers a label or is on any of the parts. I think that makers assigned part numbers that were different for different case colors or finishes, usually, for inventory and record keeping. A white paint job of a wood radio would be sufficiently unique that they would have added another number or letter to the part number. And the service data would reflect that as they often used different knob and trim part numbers on the parts list depending on finish.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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Thanks for info. The screws on the bottom have a touch of silver paint on them. Yes, silver, and the bottom is silver painted and wearing off! Also, the white paint is wearing off the front control knobs. Looks to be an amateur paint job. Any suggestions for a non-toxic paint remover I can use? Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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Any suggestions for a non-toxic paint remover I can use?


Try these non toxic examples: https://homebuilding.thefuntimesguide.c ... ove_paint/

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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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Whoa. I don't know that a strong chemical stripper would know where the paint ends and the plastic knobs begin, so I would not use that on those. Maybe something mild like isopropyl alcohol would help remove or loosen the paint on them, if the paint will not rub off easily. There are sources of used replacement matching knobs. I could not say how hard or easy they would be to find for that model but I doubt it is a rare radio. Still it would be easier to remove the paint than find knobs. IF the knobs are actually real bakelite, they are fairly resistant and even something like a little acetone or mineral oil might attack the paint without hurting the knobs in a short time frame. If they are some of the early types of plastics, solvents might turn them to butter.

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Whoa. I don't know that a strong chemical stripper would know where the paint ends and the plastic knobs begin, so I would not use that on those. Maybe something mild like isopropyl alcohol would help remove or loosen the paint on them, if the paint will not rub off easily. There are sources of used replacement matching knobs. I could not say how hard or easy they would be to find for that model but I doubt it is a rare radio. Still it would be easier to remove the paint than find knobs. IF the knobs are actually real bakelite, they are fairly resistant and even something like a little acetone or mineral oil might attack the paint without hurting the knobs in a short time frame. If they are some of the early types of plastics, solvents might turn them to butter.

Why in the world would anyone leave a chassis inside a cabinet they were going to strip, and then presumably re-finish? The chassis and any bezel/glass/screws/knobs should all be removed first, so there is only a bare cabinet to be worked on.

But it's good that you brought that up, as he may not have been aware.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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You could always leave it alone, or repaint it.
There are some nice shades of Ivory available nowadays.

Money was tight after the Second World War and lots of furniture was painted.
In the UK, 14 years of food rationing ended in 1954

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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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paint strippers are evil.

Kind of a necessary evil though, in this hobby.

Get yourself a respirator, some good solvent-resistant gloves, and work outside.

Gloves I like are the Ansell Barrier 02-100. About $10/pair at Grainger.com.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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egg wrote:
You could always leave it alone, or repaint it.
There are some nice shades of Ivory available nowadaysl
Slightly off-topic, but because Greg mentioned “ivory paint:”

I have two Bakelite radios that have original factory ivory paint jobs. One is an Arvin 153T:
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The other is a Zenith Y723:
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Their original paint jobs are beat up well beyond anything that could be called “patina.” So I’d like to explore repainting them. But unfortunately I am a total novice when it comes to any type of cabinet refinishing.

Suggestions please?

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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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wazz wrote:
Whoa. I don't know that a strong chemical stripper would know where the paint ends and the plastic knobs begin, so I would not use that on those. Maybe something mild like isopropyl alcohol would help remove or loosen the paint on them, if the paint will not rub off easily. There are sources of used replacement matching knobs. I could not say how hard or easy they would be to find for that model but I doubt it is a rare radio. Still it would be easier to remove the paint than find knobs. IF the knobs are actually real bakelite, they are fairly resistant and even something like a little acetone or mineral oil might attack the paint without hurting the knobs in a short time frame. If they are some of the early types of plastics, solvents might turn them to butter.

I can tell you first hand that Citristrip will NOT harm Bakelite. I have used it to strip several factory painted Bakelite sets and have been consistently impressed with the end results....A few sets I have actually left bare afterwards because between the paint preserving the new Bakelite sheen and the stripping revealing it I realized that I'd never find a factory bare version with Bakelite as clean and glossy.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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Why in the world would anyone leave a chassis inside a cabinet they were going to strip, and then presumably re-finish? The chassis and any bezel/glass/screws/knobs should all be removed first, so there is only a bare cabinet to be worked on.

But it's good that you brought that up, as he may not have been aware.[/quote]
I brought it up because he might consider using stripper to get the paint off the knobs, not because he would not remove the chassis.

Appears the knobs are black or dark brown natural color, which is what you would ideally want to restore to instead of repaint.

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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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I scratched off about half the paint on one knob with my fingernail. It is brown and shiny. I will remove the radio before any restoration is done on the cabinet.Thanks for tips on many of the less toxic paint removers.


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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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I had my white Philco PT-6 refinished to its original wood. BIX strip worked OK for the bakelite knobs. Thanks for help to those who posted. I also recapped and aligned the radio so it plays well, and now it looks good too!


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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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I had my white Philco PT-6 refinished to its original wood. BIX strip worked OK for the bakelite knobs. Thanks for help to those who posted. I also recapped and aligned the radio so it plays well, and now it looks good too!


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It looks great, congrats!

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 Post subject: Re: Philco PT-6 radio painted white
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Here's another PT-6


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Good work on that. Looks fantastic.

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