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 Post subject: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sat 18, 2021 7:42 pm 
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A friend just picked this up. Ingraham cabinet. Stewart Warner chassis? 6 tubes- 80, 42, 75, ?, ?, ?. I haven't personally seen it yet. The only known 6 tube Stewart Warner chassis with those tubes that I looked up, don't match. There are some 4 and 5 tube chassis that look like what's in the cabinet but not that tube line up.


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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sat 18, 2021 9:13 pm 
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I don't know what model this console is, but the chassis looks like a R-116 like in this tombstone:

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/stewart_wa_1161_r116.html

In fact, it looks like that is what is written in permanent marker on the left side of the chassis.


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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sat 18, 2021 10:10 pm 
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It's a 5 tube table radio chassis moved to a custom cabinet.

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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sat 18, 2021 10:53 pm 
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I doubt it's a custom cabinet, because it's very much in-style with other cabinets Stewart Warner was using at the time. For instance, this one: https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/stewart_wa_1201.html

The way Stewart Warner's model numbering system worked during these years, they'd name a chassis like this one to be the "R-116" chassis. Then they appended a single digit to indicate a cabinet style. Generally, cabinet styles 0-4 were table models, and cabinet styles 5-9 were consoles (but no radio was produced with 10 cabinet styles, typically just 2 to 4 styles for a given chassis).

Hence, the R-1161 and R-1163 are both table radios that use the R-116 chassis.

I am sure that this radio was probably model number R-1165, R-1166, etc. You'd have to find it in a catalog to know exactly which model, since it seems the model label is gone.

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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sun 19, 2021 1:19 pm 
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Correction- was told it's a 5 tube chassis. 80, 42, 75, 6D6, 6A7.


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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sun 19, 2021 2:51 pm 
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Not sure what the deal is, but to me it kinda looks as if that Ingraham sticker is covering up a hole.
I find it difficult to believe that they would put that sticker on the front originally.

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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sun 19, 2021 4:52 pm 
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So according to Rider's listing for this chassis, it was used in:

R116-A (6” speaker)
R116-AH (6” speaker)
R116-AL
R116-L (8” speaker)
R116-X (has phono switch)
R116-XH (6” speaker) (has phono switch)
R116-XL (8” speaker) (has phono switch)

R1161 (tombstone per Radio Retailing Ad)
R1162
R1163A (convertible set with straight grill bars per Radio Retailing Ad)
R1164 (convertible set with fancy grill bars per Radio Retailing Ad)
R1165 (different knob and dial bezel)

The ones with X's in the model #s are export models.

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This chassis had a sticker that's almost always partially or completely gone on the back, which gives the model#, serial#, tube layout, and instructions for the rear-facing tone and band switches. RadioMuseum.org has a set with a fully intact sticker that identifies a R-116AH as being the same as the R1164 pictured in the Radio Retailing ad.

My suspicion is that the ones with 8" speakers were consoles.

Maybe the ingraham plate is covering a phono switch hole? But then why on a set with no phonograph? Rider's goes to the point of listing part#s for different dial bezels and knobs so I'd think any built in phono assembly would also have appeared in the parts list.


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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sun 19, 2021 5:43 pm 
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That radio has been doctored up. I just realized it has a Philco K17 speaker installed.

Also, the internal radio shelf has been finished and what is that label with the GE Home sticker on it for?

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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sun 19, 2021 6:02 pm 
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azenithnut wrote:
...what is that label with the GE Home sticker on it for?


I'm guessing that's a store where this receiver was once serviced.

azenithnut wrote:
That radio has been doctored up. I just realized it has a Philco K17 speaker installed.


I'm sure it is serving as a replacement for the original speaker which had gone bad at some point. Nothing to be alarmed about.

I think this receiver is a very rare model and it's mostly original but has gone through some servicing and possibly some restoration over the years.

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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sun 19, 2021 6:26 pm 
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Maybe so, but it has been refinished and I'm curious if there is a hole under the ingraham sticker.

I've never seen that sticker on the front. Only in the back.

I'm not trying to poopoo this radio. Just making comments of what I see and what I've seen in the past.

Gee Michael, you are normally the one to say such :lol: :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sun 19, 2021 9:09 pm 
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Let's see a closeup of that emblem and maybe use flash on a shot of the back?
I see suspicious marks there above and below the tag.


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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Sun 19, 2021 9:42 pm 
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OK, your on to something there, now. Yeah, that looks like a hole for a tuning eye which was probably installed long after the radio left the factory. That's a cover up alright. Ouch! Bad news.

The chipped lacquer finish, just below the brass tag, hints to me that the original finish is still intact.

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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Mon 20, 2021 12:34 am 
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He could cover the hole by installing an authentic tuning eye kit, but there might be damage to the finish there.

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 Post subject: Re: Radio ID challenge.
PostPosted: Sep Mon 20, 2021 1:05 am 
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Talked with the owner and he looked behind where the tag is and there is a hole. He doesn't see any wiring or anything else that would go up to the hole. He will pull the chassis when he gets some time and let me know what he finds. Thanks for all the comments.


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