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 Post subject: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 1:35 am 
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Hello All,

First allow me to confess I know nothing about wood finishes, which will probably be obvious once you read my question.

I have a radio that has a nice shine to the finish. Not mirror-like but very nice. I also see some small marks here and there indicative of age and wear which give the set a nice patina but those marks are UNDER the nice shine. I assume someone has added a topcoat of varnish or shellac but they have made no attempt to repair the inherent marks from it just existing for the last 85 years. No glue, no filler, no sanding, no repairs.

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Am I correct that this radio is technically to be considered as “refinished”?

Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 2:07 am 
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jukeman70 wrote:
Hello All,

First allow me to confess I know nothing about wood finishes, which will probably be obvious once you read my question.

I have a radio that has a nice shine to the finish. Not mirror-like but very nice. I also see some small marks here and there indicative of age and wear which give the set a nice patina but those marks are UNDER the nice shine. I assume someone has added a topcoat of varnish or shellac but they have made no attempt to repair the inherent marks from it just existing for the last 85 years. No glue, no filler, no sanding, no repairs.

Question:
Am I correct that this radio is technically to be considered as “refinished”?

Thanks.


Hopefully if someone over shot the cabinet they did it with LACQUER. Varnish for your boats and shellac maybe back in the 20's on radios.
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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 4:13 am 
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Actually, hope it is shellac, because that can be easily removed (denatured alcohol) without affecting the finish under it. To test, dip you finger into some alcohol and rub it around in a small circle. If it starts to feel sticky, it's shellac. If not, it's lacquer or varnish. Note: this test will damage a shellac finish (it's repairable, but nevetheless ...)


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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 4:37 am 
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Post a photo of your radio. Many times it only takes a mere look to correctly determine what kind of finish is on a radio.

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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 5:27 am 
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So from what I’m hearing the fact that it has a bit of a sheen, because the age marks are UNDERNEATH it, means that it would be classified as “refinished” and not original?


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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 5:56 am 
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I would say the original finish was enhanced, if I had to say anything at all. :D
The original toned lacquer finish is still there.
Even if you touched up the scratches, you haven't refinished the radio, IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 6:32 am 
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Without good photos I don't see how any judgment can be made.

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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 1:24 pm 
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Refinished means the original finish was removed entirely to bare wood and a new finish applied.

This sounds like the original finish is still there, underneath. As said, it may be possible to remove the added finish returning it to original.

I've done it before but it takes a lot of elbow grease!

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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 3:03 pm 
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Thank you all. I tried to post a photo but had trouble doing so. The radio is a Stewart Warner R-1421-AS. If you Google it you will see it has a vertical stripe that is either photo finish or burled. That is completely original and untouched by whatever someone might have added to enhance the finish.

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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 3:21 pm 
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jukeman70 wrote:
I have a radio that has a nice shine to the finish. Not mirror-like but very nice. I also see some small marks here and there indicative of age and wear which give the set a nice patina but those marks are UNDER the nice shine. I assume someone has added a topcoat of varnish or shellac but they have made no attempt to repair the inherent marks from it just existing for the last 85 years. No glue, no filler, no sanding, no repairs.

Question:
Am I correct that this radio is technically to be considered as “refinished”?

Thanks.

It could also be as simple as ??? years of wax, household airborne grease, cigarette smoke etc, all polished in by years of cleaning.

While it's possible that someone would "top-coat" furniture without doing any repairs at all, it's unlikely.


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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 5:24 pm 
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jukeman70 wrote:
Thank you all. I tried to post a photo but had trouble doing so. The radio is a Stewart Warner R-1421-AS. If you Google it you will see it has a vertical stripe that is either photo finish or burled. That is completely original and untouched by whatever someone might have added to enhance the finish.

Thanks again.

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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Wed 24, 2021 11:19 pm 
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jukeman70 wrote:
I assume someone has added a topcoat of varnish or shellac but they have made no attempt to repair the inherent marks from it just existing for the last 85 years. No glue, no filler, no sanding, no repairs.

Question:
Am I correct that this radio is technically to be considered as refinished?

Thanks.
In my opinion, no, this radio can not be considered refinished. At best, maybe a bad topcoat. Your observation of it as quoted above would be accurate.


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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Thu 25, 2021 10:36 pm 
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Here are some pics of what could be the radio in question?
I'm afraid that yellow top coat is polyurethane, won't dissolve, has to be scraped off, unless I'm mistaken. Hopefully it is not that.

Added a pic of another radio at the bottom, can't say if it was refinished, but probably was.


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 Post subject: Re: Original Finish or No?
PostPosted: Nov Thu 25, 2021 10:42 pm 
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Citristrip will remove Poly. That should be an easy radio to refinish and you will soon have it looking like it did when it left the factory.

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