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 Post subject: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Tue 19, 2013 4:18 am 
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How do you suppose Klitzen knew in 1916 that they would need to have an Armstrong license tag on the set when Klitzen wasn't even granted a license until 1920? I think Atwater Kent must have bought some leftover breadboard boards from Klitzen as well........

The ebay set.
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The patent tag.
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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Tue 19, 2013 9:22 am 
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Alan, are you sure it's real?
It looks like a modern build to me, someone got a repro
AK board and mounted the early components on it.
The AK board design is 1921-22.
The Armstrong license tag could have come from a
later set.

I really think it a modern build.

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Tue 19, 2013 11:07 am 
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Klitzen was widely known for the small but gifted team of psychics the company kept on staff in the mid-teens. These staffers called themselves Radioheads. When not otherwise engaged with company business, Klitzen's Radioheads would travel 80 or 90 years into the future to play pretentious rock music and, on off days, assemble strange looking receivers on replica Atwater Kent breadboards. As everyone now knows, these valuable receivers SELDOM SHOW UP FOR SALE.


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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Tue 19, 2013 1:44 pm 
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I WILL OFFER THE BEST IN COLLECTING . WATCH EVERY WEEK FOR GREAT FEATURED ITEMS . WHAT YOU ARE BUYING IS AN INCREDIBL 1916 KLITZEN KIT RADIO . THIS APARATUS IS AN AMAZING DISPLAY PRIMITIVE WIRELESS RADIO . I DO NOT KNOW THE HISTORY OF THIS UNIT , IT WAS BOUGHT AT AN AUCTION AND SO LOOK AT THE PHOTOS VERY CARFULLY .


DUH.... kind of gives you a clue that he knows it's a fantasy item .

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The Armstrong license tag could have come from a
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like this one:

http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/klitzen_pa ... r_525.html


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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Tue 19, 2013 3:29 pm 
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Ron said.
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Alan, are you sure it's real?
It looks like a modern build to me, someone got a repro
AK board and mounted the early components on it.
The AK board design is 1921-22.
The Armstrong license tag could have come from a
later set.

I really think it a modern build.


Yes Ron of course it is a modern reconstruction. The set was sold at the January Estes radio auction. It was initially listed by Rich as a "Klitzen 1916 Detector with Audion kit style unit." Being somewhat of a Klitzen collector I was immediately intrigued. After what must have been tons of questions Rich called it a "Copy" and was sold at the auction as a "fake". I was hoping it might be the first loose coupler Klitzen made like the 102 pictured below.

Alan Larsen

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The Klitzen tag came from one of the Michigan pieces such as this 2-stage amp I have.
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Here is a picture of the tag inside the amp.
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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Tue 19, 2013 7:10 pm 
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Yeah that Klitzen Loose Coupler would have been a
great find.
Still lots of nice parts.
Did you get it?

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Tue 19, 2013 7:55 pm 
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Guess who :roll:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-1916-RA ... 19d9f18113


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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Tue 19, 2013 8:38 pm 
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And not a word about it being a modern build.
"Let the buyer beware!"

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Sat 23, 2013 5:01 am 
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It seems like that guy Eric is really dishonest and a bad guy. I reported the auction as fraudulent.


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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
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I am not sure why the seller would not disclose this a reproduction radio and not a real 1916 set by any stretch of the imagination. I believe this sale actually falls under the selling counterfeit items ban. After delivery the successful buyer could easily file a claim with Ebay that the item is not a 1916 radio but a reproduction instead. Ebay in these cases refunds the buyers money AND lets the buyer keep the radio. Huge risk as far as I am concerned. The set is very interesting in it's own right as a reproduction but that fact should be disclosed in the listing because it was sold as a reproduction at Estes that way. It still isn't worth over $1k to me. :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Mar Sun 24, 2013 4:30 am 
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buyers just don't do their homework, or have so much money to spend that they won't miss.


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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Sep Sat 11, 2021 4:24 am 
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bigalarsen wrote:
How do you suppose Klitzen knew in 1916 that they would need to have an Armstrong license tag on the set when Klitzen wasn't even granted a license until 1920? I think Atwater Kent must have bought some leftover breadboard boards from Klitzen as well........

The ebay set.
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Another view.
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The patent tag.
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I want it, regardless

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Sep Sat 11, 2021 4:34 am 
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If you're a Klitzen Radiohead yourself, you may still be able to bid on it!

;) ;)

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
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palegreenthumb wrote:
If you're a Klitzen Radiohead yourself, you may still be able to bid on it!

;) ;)


Not a Klitzen fan, just looks nice to me. Maybe Phil Weingarten made it?

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
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If only Phil had made "secret" marks and left his "black book" around with all the notes... :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Sep Sun 12, 2021 2:20 am 
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The tube might stand a sporting good chance of being one of Phil's copies (forgeries).

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Sep Sun 12, 2021 1:36 pm 
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That is gone off ebay now. I also did a search got "zero results for Klitzen, so we searched blitzen" junk.

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Sep Sun 12, 2021 2:54 pm 
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Blitzen is a character in Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer: The Movie. He is the brother of Dasher, Comet, and Cupid, the brother-in-law of Arrow's mother, the husband of Mitzi, the father of Rudolph, the uncle of Arrow, and one of Santa Claus's Flyers.
Family: Dasher, Comet and Cupid (brothers); ...
Friends: His wife Mitzi, his son Rudolph, Santa ...
Home: Santa's Village

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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Sep Wed 15, 2021 6:47 pm 
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I also reported this because its obvious the thing is a reproduction and someone just lost $1600. I looked today and see no mention of even the finished ad. Maybe eBay did something for once.


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 Post subject: Re: 1916 Klitzen Loose Coupler Armstrong licensed Receiver
PostPosted: Sep Wed 15, 2021 7:56 pm 
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Hmm. Wonder if Ebay took action. I am not seeing any of his listings now.


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