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 Post subject: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 1:21 pm 
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I have been trying to sell a very nice Emerson ingraham radio for a while now. i know prices are down but i don't want to give it away. I have a bunch of messages from a guy that finally leads to a message where he comes right out and asks me to sell it outside of eBay. I point out that this can get him in trouble and me if i comply. He responds;

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They charge inappropriate and at times illegal sales tax so I am fedup.


That message also includes:

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Will you take $150.00 for the radio with least expensive shipping?


I send him a No Thanks.

In the last month he has made 6 purchases on eBay and 6 months ago he even got a radio from our friend at Radios10467. So he does use eBay.


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 1:32 pm 
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DKinYORKpa wrote:
In the last month he has made 6 purchases on eBay and 6 months ago he even got a radio from our friend at Radios10467. So he does use eBay.


Sure he uses eBay when he has to, but like many other buyers he's learned that "asking" prices on eBay are often (not always, but often enough) just a way to get global advertising without actually having to sell your item. So he plays the game, sends the message and I'll bet he does a lot of deals outside the eBay platform.


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 1:39 pm 
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And eBay has no quick search of messages looking for key words about this sort of thing?


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 1:40 pm 
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Well, obviously, I would not trade with him in the near future. And, more importantly, do NOT end your auction early, or discontinue the listing if it's a BIN.
Ebay could very well assume you made a deal outside their venue, and send you a bill for the sales fee. They do look for key words in one-on-one messages.
Dan


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 1:58 pm 
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It is however with in the rules to contact the buyer via E-bay and make an offer to purchase for a Buy It Now price.
Henry


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 2:02 pm 
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I don't have a BIN price, just a MAKE OFFER. He didn't hit the make offer selection.


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 2:08 pm 
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what's the radio?


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 2:20 pm 
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radiohenry wrote:
It is however with in the rules to contact the buyer via E-bay and make an offer to purchase for a Buy It Now price.
Henry

It's also allowed to end an auction early if the item is no longer available for sale.


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 3:08 pm 
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what's the radio?


I can't promote my own listing.


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 3:32 pm 
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DKinYORKpa wrote:
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what's the radio?


I can't promote my own listing.

Can I?

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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 3:39 pm 
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eBay does search your messages. Would putting a business card with your website and/or email help to sell stuff? I have bought outside of eBay after the first purchase from a vendor. Their fees are really excessive. I owe $54 for August and don't think I made much of a profit on the few things I sold.


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 3:46 pm 
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n3uvt wrote:
eBay does search your messages. Would putting a business card with your website and/or email help to sell stuff? I have bought outside of eBay after the first purchase from a vendor. Their fees are really excessive. I owe $54 for August and don't think I made much of a profit on the few things I sold.

I've done that - include my card when shipping items. Great way for them to contact you for related items. But, only a couple ever have. I've even had repeat customers buy an item from me on ebay, which I can only assume that they are looking for the implied guarantee that comes with using the bay.
Many items I purchase have their card and or a note in it as well. I will admit, sometimes when I need something I just pop on the bay to look and before I know it, I've clicked buy, not even thinking to look through my Rolodex.
Dan


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 4:13 pm 
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It's also allowed to end an auction early if the item is no longer available for sale.
Hmm,

It is still your radio until a winning, Best Offer or Buy It Now is posted. Until that time you can end an auction because (think of good reason, true or not) like; it fell off the table, the dog ate the cord, backed the truck over it, the shed burned down. FWIK you do not have to prove why by any means. Do you take some kind of a hit on an obscure eBay public score sheet? Maybe.

Who cares, you can always close your account and open under some other Nom de Plume...

I won't say "But" instead, However, little bells are going off about this eBay punter. I, would have a suspicion, that any one of a dozen different and convoluted scams could take place that, one would not get any "protection" from eBay for whatever.

I would stop all communication, even if some "point" is in limbo, refer the user to eBay.. Pull the listing. Set the radio aside for a few weeks, re-post a completely different auction different images & text and block that users account from your auctions.

Gads, I hope he/she does not have your home email address...

Or, If you still feel confidence in the buyer, set up a BIN. That way there is no "guilt" trip... Do take a couple of images of the radio before packing and of the package. The BIN puts the radio up for grabs by anyone.

GL

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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 5:05 pm 
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Good news.....after all of this time I just accepted my asking price from someone else!


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Fri 06, 2019 6:03 pm 
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For future reference, you could have pulled the auction and still had the buyer pay through Paypal. No taxes charged and you have protection from Paypal.

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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Sat 07, 2019 1:01 am 
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I had a buyer make an offer outside of eBay by sending the information within a jpeg or photo. The text message said please see photo for details.


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Sat 07, 2019 1:27 am 
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Then Ebay implements OCR...
Gotta make it distorted like a Captcha.

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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Sat 07, 2019 2:06 am 
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kurt1618 wrote: I had a buyer make an offer outside of eBay by sending the information within a jpeg or photo.

With the ebay messaging system.
It is not possible to exchange e-mail address.
It is not possible to embed an image.
It is not possible to send an image link.

Buyer or seller e-mail address are no longer visible at PayPal.

Greg.


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Sat 07, 2019 2:13 am 
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egg wrote:
kurt1618 wrote: I had a buyer make an offer outside of eBay by sending the information within a jpeg or photo.

With the ebay messaging system.
It is not possible to exchange email address.
It is not possible to embed an image.
It is not possible to send an image link.

Greg.

I send images through ebay messages quite often. It's right there on the contact form.


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 Post subject: Re: Buyer wants to skirt eBay
PostPosted: Sep Sat 07, 2019 2:17 am 
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Well... I'll be a monkey's uncle!
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