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 Post subject: Why create an obvious fake? Update
PostPosted: Jul Tue 13, 2021 4:56 am 
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I had to take a look when I saw the word Boomerang on a Philco ad. Pretty sure that nickname came much later from collectors, not from Philco in 1949:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194238127520?m ... olid=10001

Then there's the cartoon Jetson family, mid-60's, not even close. Those two major errors, and then the dummy list of features, reference to 6 AM circuits, straight out of radiomuseum comments, PM speaker and 5 tubes, so what? There is nothing here that reflects 1949 and the Philco design team. Ignorance doesn't appeal to me. :D


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I think a lot of people in Hollywood are buying up these signs, not just because they make great interior decorations but because their historically inaccurate.

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PostPosted: Jul Tue 13, 2021 6:50 pm 
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These signs have appeared in at least 3 antique malls here in TN. Oh, and of course, NO mention that they are "reproductions" or "fantasy adverts". And a nice mark-up too, in the $45-55 range.


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PostPosted: Jul Tue 13, 2021 7:06 pm 
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westcoastjohn wrote:
Ignorance doesn't appeal to me. :D


Unfortunately, it rules the day. It's an epidemic worse than that which shall not be named.....

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I think it's okay to want a nice new cardboard decoration to add a little atmosphere to radio collection displays that are chasing a particular look, as long as everyone understands that it's not original. There's a whole line of those things that some artist has been putting together, and they're all rather sharp. But, not original. That doesn't always matter to people, and it's not as though the seller is hiding that fact.


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John wrote: Why create an obvious fake?

Check-out his feedback old buddy. He has sold many, many hundreds of radio related stand-up signs.
ka-ching!... lol

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I guess if you create something that is obviously a fake, you can't be accused of creating fakes that are trying to look real. The average "decor" buyer doesn't care about it being completely accurate as long as it looks good. It's only a radio enthusiast that's going to care abut the picky little details and I doubt that's the market they're aiming for anyway.


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The problem is going to come in when these things are 30-40 years old. In other words, old enough to have developed a little patina of their own. Unless someone is an expert in advertising pieces, your average collector probably won't be able to tell these are fantasy pieces. That's already starting to happen with some fantasy items produced in the late 1980s/early 1990s when the '50s nostalgia craze was at its peak.

For example, a friend of mine hung a newly reproduced Coca Cola button sign on the side of his barn around 1990. It's now been out in the weather for 30 years. Comparing that 1990 Coke sign to an original produced in 1950 will take careful examination in person and would likely be very difficult to do via photos only.

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They are not representing this as a vintage item. Just read the description (emphasis mine):

This is a newly created stand up, advertising display, representing the Philco Boomerang Transitone Radio. It is a high quality laser print mounted onto rigid 3/16" black foam board with an easel back. It has been recreated digitally referenced from original vintage Philco material. Measuring 10.5" high x 10.5" wide.

Not available for sale anywhere else.

Not an original.


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Now if only the "Boomerang" had "Catalin Colors"!


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I read the add and they make it rather clear its not original. Seems pretty straightforward to me


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Yes, the artist makes it very clear that it is a repro, but I was wondering why not try for an authentic look that would appeal to me personally?
Because I wouldn't buy it anyway, that's why. :D

And good point, the artist is legally in the clear, and if you buy from a reseller, it's buyer beware.
Oh well. I wonder if the copyright has run out on the Jetson characters, not that it's any of my concern. :D

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It's art...

And there is a lot more:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/sermintheclown ... 4238127520

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Yup very interesting stuff...good for him.


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...I wonder if the copyright has run out on the Jetson characters, not that it's any of my concern. :D


If Disney can still claim rights to Mickey Mouse who has been around since 1928, I'm sure Hanna-Barbera still has the rights to the Jetsons from over 30 years later.

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westcoastjohn wrote:
...I wonder if the copyright has run out on the Jetson characters, not that it's any of my concern. :D


If Disney can still claim rights to Mickey Mouse who has been around since 1928, I'm sure Hanna-Barbera still has the rights to the Jetsons from over 30 years later.
I looked it up - owned by the Warner Animation Group so still very much private property.

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 Post subject: Re: Why create an obvious fake?
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I bought several of these simply as decoration for my shop and radio room. I also emailed the seller with some specific requests and he made me one for the Arvin 58 and for the Arturus blue tubes. While they are good quality a very brief in person examination will be obvious they are not original not to mention that they are not exact copies of original signs.


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"6 Am circuits" sort of gives it away.


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hello westcoastjohn,
I was looking at buying one to put in my radio room and for the price they are not bad but I would not lose sleep over it .
I have a friend in the sign business and I am going to have him preproduce one my original businesses radio signs from the 1950s I have original photos of it .

Sincerely Richard


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Hello Rich. I like the pics you posted here of your TV shop back in the 50's.
Authentic ads are easy to copy.

I had some pages that were cut from old magazines, bought for a few bucks each from an antique mall. Copied them on a laser color printer and they looked very good framed.
Also are nice gifts to people that have that particular model.

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