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 Post subject: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
PostPosted: Oct Sat 26, 2019 4:42 am 
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Both of these ads are from 1928...

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also 11/28/28
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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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CBS currently owns 3 FMs in Dallas. And every TV broadcaster is 3 'stations'. Licensure regulations change. A lot. Some might say, not always for better.

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Interesting read,Alan. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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Interesting read,Alan. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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Spivey wrote:
Interesting read,Alan. Thanks.

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The current Columbia Broadcasting station in San Fran is KCBS/740, which comes booming down the coast every evening, like it was a local. KYA (1260 KC, "the boss of the bay") is still active on the internet, and plays continual '50's-'60's oldies and period commercials.

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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
PostPosted: Oct Mon 28, 2019 11:28 pm 
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I found a list of all Stations in California in 1928.
https://www.radioheritage.net/Story130.asp

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San Francisco also had KGO and KPO and both of them were on the NBC network in 1928.

"Since 1927, NBC had been operating its Pacific Coast “Orange” Network from San Francisco, recreating its New York “Red Network” programs and feeding them to seven western stations (KPO and KGO in thw Bay Area, KFI Los Angeles, KOMO Seattle, KGW Portland and KHQ Spokane)."

This tells me it was not unusual for a radio network to have two stations in one city during this era.

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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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Wasn't a 3 letter station ID to signify a clear channel broadcaster, as opposed to a 4 letter that would be lower power (with some exception)? That would explain 2 affiliates there.

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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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Wasn't a 3 letter station ID to signify a clear channel broadcaster, as opposed to a 4 letter that would be lower power (with some exception)? That would explain 2 affiliates there.

I always thought that 3 letter call signs were the earlier style, and 4 letters came later. Here in Al-Eh, we have KFI/640 and KNX/1070, & had KHJ/980, which isn't a clear channel frequency. KMPC/710, KIEV/870, & KDAY/1580 was/is 50K clear channel 4 letter call sign stations.

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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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Here in Al-Eh, we have KFI/640 and KNX/1070, & had KHJ/980, which isn't a clear channel frequency. KMPC/710, KIEV/870, & KDAY/1580 was/is 50K clear channel 4 letter call sign stations.



KHJ was at 930. I can still hear their call sign jingle, “93 KHJ!”, playing in my head.

In 1928, they were at 720, moved to 750 and moved again by the end of the year to 900, until 1941.

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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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Greetings to 19&41 and the Forum:

I believe fifties is correct. I worked for KDB (1490 KHz) in Santa Barbara when I was in high school, and they were never more than a 1 KW AM station. They were at one time an NBC affiliate though; they still had an electric version of the NBC chimes hanging on one wall of the main studio / control room when I was there.

I can still remember their jingle from the 1960's also:

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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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fifties wrote:
Here in Al-Eh, we have KFI/640 and KNX/1070, & had KHJ/980, which isn't a clear channel frequency. KMPC/710, KIEV/870, & KDAY/1580 was/is 50K clear channel 4 letter call sign stations.



KHJ was at 930. I can still hear their call sign jingle, “93 KHJ!”, playing in my head.

In 1928, they were at 720, moved to 750 and moved again by the end of the year to 900, until 1941.

Thx for the correction; I was thinking of KFWB/980.

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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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Do a lot of these stations have repeaters in the hills ? I remembered driving up to Bishop California about 300 miles from LA and I got KFI 640 most of the way till I hit the big mountain range interferences. Tom


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 Post subject: Re: 1928, Why did CBS have two stations in San Francisco?
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I'm not aware of any AM stations in L.A. having repeaters. You probably received it because it's a 50,000 watt blowtorch.

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