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 Post subject: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sat 11, 2021 5:30 pm 
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This seems to be a recent thing. On line companies that the have no way to know how many of an item are in stock are getting common. The last one was a clothing item at JC Penny. You can not see how many they have for sale and the people who answer the phone can not tell either. If you order more than they have available the cancel the order. They do show very low or no stock. So you order 20 item of a great deal and the order is canceled. If you come back and order 10 it works. IF you order more than they have it should tell you when you order. It would seem that it may be a problem for drop shippers, but should not be for the parent company.


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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sat 11, 2021 6:00 pm 
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This is a problem going all the way up to the manufactures. We're having a heck of a time getting Allen Bradley components from Rockwell right now. They tell our suppliers a factory ship date, but that date comes and goes and no parts arrive. Then the factory date gets pushed back a month.... Other parts that have a 6 week lead time show up in less than a week. Things are real screwy right now!

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sat 11, 2021 6:21 pm 
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Walmart seems to have fairly good inventory control (on food items anyway). I buy certain package food items and clean them out of certain specific flavors I like. By the time I get home they show OOS in the store on their web site, so it's close to real time. I keep checking the web site daily till the item shows in stock again.


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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sat 11, 2021 8:04 pm 
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My brother used to work for Kroger at one of their semi-automated warehouses as a programmer. He was there about 5 years working continually fixing the "system" they had in place. I was very interested in what was going on with the automation so I asked many questions.
They were working toward a system where the store inventory would update at the POS computers and when the inventory hit the target point and order would be placed and the automated system at the warehouse would automatically send out the product. Etc. etc. I don't know if the system ever got completely operational.
On paper a system like that seems like and easy thing to do but is one of those projects that are full of hidden problems.

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sat 11, 2021 8:49 pm 
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Dennis H. wrote:
My brother used to work for Kroger at one of their semi-automated warehouses as a programmer. He was there about 5 years working continually fixing the "system" they had in place. I was very interested in what was going on with the automation so I asked many questions.
They were working toward a system where the store inventory would update at the POS computers and when the inventory hit the target point and order would be placed and the automated system at the warehouse would automatically send out the product. Etc. etc. I don't know if the system ever got completely operational.
On paper a system like that seems like and easy thing to do but is one of those projects that are full of hidden problems.


Not least of which is shrinkage. Just because the computer says something is in stock doesn't mean it's actually there. Walked off, mislaid, someone scanned a different item, who knows.


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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sat 11, 2021 9:52 pm 
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Somewhere I have a cartoon of a guy standing at the counter of a parts store - the guy behind the counter is saying "It's no good you pointing at it, the computer we haven't got any!"

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sun 12, 2021 1:04 am 
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Paul Dietenberger wrote:
Dennis H. wrote:
My brother used to work for Kroger at one of their semi-automated warehouses as a programmer. He was there about 5 years working continually fixing the "system" they had in place. I was very interested in what was going on with the automation so I asked many questions.
They were working toward a system where the store inventory would update at the POS computers and when the inventory hit the target point and order would be placed and the automated system at the warehouse would automatically send out the product. Etc. etc. I don't know if the system ever got completely operational.
On paper a system like that seems like and easy thing to do but is one of those projects that are full of hidden problems.


Not least of which is shrinkage. Just because the computer says something is in stock doesn't mean it's actually there. Walked off, mislaid, someone scanned a different item, who knows.


And there is always "fell off the back of the truck". Every time I think of that I remember one of the few stories my dad told me of his time in the Korean war. Him and his buddies stopped a supply truck on the road. While his buddies shot the breeze with the driver my dad and his buddy each confiscated a box supplies out of the back. Hoping for peaches they got two cases of english peas or some such. Don't know if it's true but it sounds right.

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
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majoco wrote:
Somewhere I have a cartoon of a guy standing at the counter of a parts store - the guy behind the counter is saying "It's no good you pointing at it, the computer we haven't got any!"


ONe time at Home Depot I asked about a paint spray gun review in a DIY magazine and supposedly sold by HD. I asked a gentleman where that item was "I've been here since the store opened and we've never carried any products by that mfg.". He was leaning against the rack of paint supplies and LITERALLY had his hand on the item I was asking about.

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
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The company which I used to work for could have used an inventory control specialist. If some parts came up short, they would just juggle the numbers to make things come out even.

I had an issue with one of the big electronics distributors, when trying to work on my Pioneer SX-1010. Their website showed that they had the parts in stock, but they couldn't supply them; I wound up ordering them from their competition.

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
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The company I work for is having trouble getting certain semi chips. One power supply chip is not available till Nov 2023. The main board uses 2 of these so the engineer is having to redesign to circuit to use different chips. We are ordering a lot of them!


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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
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The world is getting all (most, anyway) its parts from the same place now. What could possibly go wrong ?

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
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Jeremy S wrote:
This is a problem going all the way up to the manufactures. We're having a heck of a time getting Allen Bradley components from Rockwell right now. They tell our suppliers a factory ship date, but that date comes and goes and no parts arrive. Then the factory date gets pushed back a month.... Other parts that have a 6 week lead time show up in less than a week. Things are real screwy right now!


We had to forecast our Rockwell material for the next 6 mos to a year to hope to get what we need. Were out on ebay looking for aux contacts for our overloads because they arent avaialble. Our rep told us that apparently Amazon has taken priority with some new infrastructure. Same thing goes with our Hoffman enclosures. Were told they are hiring an additonal 60 people to keep up with the demand. The biggest hurdle there is they cant get galvanized material to build panels. Our local supplier of enclosures cant get it either.

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sun 12, 2021 5:01 pm 
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thats the danger of designing a product around a part made by only 1 source.
something that i avoid whenever possible.
if not possible i suggest a lifetime buy of that part.
and adjust for projected production life of the product.
if it looks like the product is going to sell better than you thought buy more of that part.
esp if the mfr issues an end of life last time purchase.
leftover stock of many discontinued parts sell at a profit anyway.
i wound up overbuying a toshiba rf power transistor.
fast forward 20 years and that dead stock is now highly sought after.
it would be hard to find a better performing investment.
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The company I work for is having trouble getting certain semi chips. One power supply chip is not available till Nov 2023. The main board uses 2 of these so the engineer is having to redesign to circuit to use different chips. We are ordering a lot of them!


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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sun 12, 2021 8:39 pm 
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That very thing happened to a few companies which made theatre and broadcast gear, back in the 70s and early 80s. They designed their stuff around a Signetics power op-amp which was never second sourced by anyone. When Signetics pulled the plug on that chip, everyone was left hanging.

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sun 12, 2021 9:16 pm 
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flyboy71 wrote:

We had to forecast our Rockwell material for the next 6 mos to a year to hope to get what we need. Were out on ebay looking for aux contacts for our overloads because they arent avaialble. Our rep told us that apparently Amazon has taken priority with some new infrastructure. Same thing goes with our Hoffman enclosures. Were told they are hiring an additonal 60 people to keep up with the demand. The biggest hurdle there is they cant get galvanized material to build panels. Our local supplier of enclosures cant get it either.


I am doing the same thing right now, forecasting and pre-ordering Rockwell VFDs and Hoffman enclosures for next year.

My employer is doing the controls for 50-something Amazon facilities this year with even more going in next year. They are certainly hogging the market for automation and conveyors right now, which is putting USP and FedEx in a pinch as they are expanding as well.

Last week our Rockwell supplier gave me a 4-5 week lead time for fused terminals. VFDs, Panelview GDU, safety relays, and other misc items like fuse holders have been experiencing increasingly longer lead times. Oh, and those stupid AUX contacts... those things have been hard to get for months!

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Sun 12, 2021 10:10 pm 
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I worked behind a sales counter of a large company for a while. Once in a while, it would happen that a customer would bring up an item to purchase, and I couldn't sell it to the customer because the computer said there was zero in stock. If I remember, I eventually found a work around to this, but the store manager was the only one who had the assigned ability to update store stock count, and at times he wasn't there, and couldn't be reached. Nothing I could do, but ask the customer to try coming back the next day. I just had to take the hits if they where unhappy and wanted to complain, threaten, call corporate, get me fired, yada yada.

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Mon 13, 2021 12:22 am 
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I was a field service engineer at two companies... one for 25 years the other for 10.5.
Repair parts were never reliably available, so the successful engineer had 'ghost stock', that is stock that accounting says that we don't have but do.
Many different ways to achieve this...
In Vietnam there helicopters flying around that were off the 'books' and when helicopters did crash, all sorts of missing equipment were them and then could be written off.
Back to the civilian world...
Two engineers had their vans ripped off, all missing modules were in those two vans.


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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
PostPosted: Sep Mon 13, 2021 1:47 am 
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In the mid '80's I needed a room A/C unit and the one I wanted was a certain GE high efficiency model.

So, off to the big box store I drove where I saw one on display. I was told by salesperson there were none in stock. I said fine I'll take the one on display. I was told, no can do as it's a display unit but we can order one from our warehouse 50 miles away. I'm thinking they have none in stock but must have one on display?

10 days later, no A/C unit is delivered and it's the middle of July.

I then phoned a local Mon/pop appliance store asking about that GE unit and was told, sure we have it, how many do you want.

They delivered it to me and it was cheaper than the big box store price tag.

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Business school graduates; you gotta love 'em....

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 Post subject: Re: No inventory control
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Business school graduates; you gotta love 'em....

MBA = Master of Business Assassination.

BTW, If you've got a minute, go to the Mouser website and search for "2N3904".

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