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 Post subject: Re: 1955 Zenith TV No Sound
PostPosted: Mar Mon 25, 2019 9:00 pm 
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IIRC we used the 1N60 diodes. Voltage drop of .22 V is probably good
BUT 1.7 V reverse is not. That is not a diode any more but its a diode
in // with a resistor. At this point I would order a few, they were dirt cheap.
If there is a minimum order you can find some other goodies to meet it !

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 Post subject: Re: 1955 Zenith TV No Sound
PostPosted: Mar Tue 26, 2019 12:03 am 
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cvsolfari wrote:

Those are all 1N6000 (1N6001, 1N6002, 1N6003, etc.) series diodes in your link. If you want a 1N60, look here: https://www.rfparts.com/diodes/diodes-r ... /1n60.html

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 Post subject: Re: 1955 Zenith TV No Sound
PostPosted: Mar Tue 26, 2019 1:52 am 
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Since he was using the continuity setting on his meter it isn't clear if it was displaying the diode voltage or not.

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 Post subject: Re: 1955 Zenith TV No Sound
PostPosted: Mar Wed 27, 2019 1:57 pm 
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I saw on the schematic that there is a TV/Phono switch. Your specific unit probably won't have the switch, yet it would appear that on the off chance that it is set to Phono, news at that point it slices the fiber voltage to the CRT. Have you watched that switch?


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 Post subject: Re: 1955 Zenith TV No Sound
PostPosted: Mar Wed 27, 2019 7:30 pm 
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What is “fiber voltage?”

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 Post subject: Re: 1955 Zenith TV No Sound
PostPosted: Mar Thu 28, 2019 8:12 pm 
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philsoldradios wrote:
What is “fiber voltage?”

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He probably means "filament". Maybe English isn't his native language.

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 Post subject: Re: 1955 Zenith TV No Sound
PostPosted: Mar Thu 28, 2019 8:37 pm 
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I wanted to show the OP why getting that Velleman K8025 video generator might be useful.
It has a staircase or grey scale mode. This is what a line of video looks like on a scope.
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It is a stable pattern that is easier to see on a scope. The time between horizontal sync pulses
is 63.5 uS, from the 15735 Hz horizontal frequency. You also know the signal reaches the
white level so that the peak-to-peak measurement will be accurate.
If you set your scope to a slower rate, the video frames look like this.
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The times between half frames is 16.6 mS, from the 60 Hz vertical frequency. The staircases are
compressed together so they overlap. You can see that just from changing the scope settings
that the scope display is very different. The trigger controls as well as the horizontal time
setting on the scope were changed.
This is what a staircase looks like on the TV screen.
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 Post subject: Re: 1955 Zenith TV No Sound
PostPosted: Mar Thu 28, 2019 10:20 pm 
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Notime, that is one of the singular most useful posts for anyone dealing with video. Those of us who've been in the television world for decades take this for granted, but it's really helpful for newbies of any age to see how the arguably most-useful test waveform looks on screen and on a 'scope at both vertical and horizontal rates. That Velleman video generator sounds like a great & inexpensive tool for the beginner or occasional old-TV repairer.

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 Post subject: Re: 1955 Zenith TV No Sound
PostPosted: Mar Fri 29, 2019 1:28 am 
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Thanks Mark.
Those pictures were taken of signals coming from a Sencore unit, I don't have the Velleman
generator. I didn't know the Velleman unit existed until this week, it probably doesn't make
as sharp a signal as the Sencore.
I found the Velleman unit while googling for a DVD test disc. I got this DVD several years ago.
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That company (Electronix Corp.) is out of business. Similar DVD might be available but they seem
more pricey than what I remember paying. I think there is a way of making your own DVD starting
with patterns created on Photoshop or similar.
Since most if not all DVD players do not have a RF output you still need a RF modulator.
One drawback of the DVD method is that it tests the DVD player as much as the TV.

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