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 Post subject: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Wed 06, 2019 7:24 pm 
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Ok old TV guys. I have restored some 35 radios for my collection and would like to add a prewar TV to the mix. Knowing nothing about vintage TV's, any suggestions on which ones to be on the lookout for.

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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Wed 06, 2019 8:58 pm 
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Unless you want to spend over 2 grand and or get a complete basket case of a set stick to post WWII... presentable non-working pre-war sets typically go for around 4 grand and up and completion for them is usually fierce.

There were nice pre-war looking sets made post war such as the RCA 8TS30 Stromberg Carlson TV-12, DuMont RA103 and the Sparton and Stewart Warner Mirror in Lid sets. earlytelevision.org has a nice gallery of post war sets to make a want list from.


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Wed 06, 2019 11:29 pm 
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As stated, the pre-war sets are rare and super expensive. Only a handful were made.

To add to the list above, the RCA 630TS is also a good set to get, and there were many other brands who made sets based on this same chassis, licensed from RCA. There is plenty of documentation for them and parts are available with a little looking around. Beware, these sets are heavy and run about 80 pounds or more. If you want something smaller and lighter, there were 7" electrostatic deflection sets made by Motorola, Admiral and others. They are quite common.


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Wed 06, 2019 11:51 pm 
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In your case l would start with any 10BP4-based set to gain experience. The 7JP4-based sets that CAN be fixed often have dim picture tubes, assuming the typical find. Or save up $20K and wait for someone to die. Craig


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
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If you must have a prewar TV then it will be a waiting game until one becomes available. There aren't many out there, but a few come up for sale every year or so. If you're looking for a television that LOOKS like a prewar set then my all time favorite is the GE 801 console. The only "thing" it's missing for me is the word "Television" written on it (I'm a sucker for a TV with the word Television written on it).


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Thu 07, 2019 3:00 am 
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There is a RCA pre war on eBay right now $17,000


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Thu 07, 2019 3:51 am 
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oldtvsandtoys wrote:
There is a RCA pre war on eBay right now $17,000

Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/233367675383

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^ That's an asking price; means nothing. Check closed sales for realistic pricing.

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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Thu 07, 2019 11:26 am 
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If you are willing to go for a 1946-49 set, they are more plentiful, and not too expensive.

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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Mon 11, 2019 1:02 am 
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Thanks guys for the input. I had no idea they were so expensive. Sounds like I better stick with the old radios.

Steve


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Mon 11, 2019 7:49 pm 
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Post war-sets typically sell in the neighborhood of $25-300 depending on condition, what exactly you want and luck. Not to mention they also were designed for the NTSC (which wasn't standardized till mid 1941 meaning most pre-war sets weren't designed to work with post WWII standards).


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Mon 11, 2019 10:00 pm 
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I deleted this posting as it was not helpful.


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Mon 11, 2019 10:13 pm 
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Govee wrote:
If the add information is true,what about this one?

or this one

Andy

Pure crap. "hand crafted by me using rare parts from prewar radio cabinets and electronics from a solid state black and white television set from the 1990's."

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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Mon 11, 2019 10:20 pm 
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OMG.... I'm so embarrassed. I read the titles. If I can remove those I will.


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Mon 11, 2019 11:20 pm 
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The first antique TV I ever restored was an Admiral 4H16S such as seen here

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/admiral_4h16_s_4h16.html

It was a fairly straight forward restore and easy to work on. The main issue I had with it was a flaky 6SN7 which would cause it to loose sync once it warmed up.
It was the first time i ever saw a TV roll sideways :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Thu 14, 2019 3:59 am 
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All production pre-war televisions work just fine on NTSC sources. The difference between 13,230Hz (441 line) and 15,750Hz (525 line) horizontal timing is well within the normal adjustable range of the horizontal hold on these sets. The audio works adequately by slightly shifting the fine tuning to put the carrier on the IF slope edge. The pre-war manufacturers offered to realign the audio IF for better slope detection, but it's not absolutely required. These sets were not just thrown away after the war and you see many with modified 12 channel tuners replacing the original 3 or 5 channel tuners. They work just fine.

Even the RR359 field test set from 1936 that was designed for 10,290 Hz (343 line) works just fine with absolutely no modifications other than adjusting the horizontal hold and width controls.

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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Thu 14, 2019 4:09 am 
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Darryl:

I have only restored four pre-war sets so I don't have anywhere near the expertise that you have but all mine worked fine on NTSC sources as well. I couldn't get sound on two but maybe that's because they were TT-5s!

Steve


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Thu 14, 2019 4:45 am 
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analog.tv wrote:
In your case l would start with any 10BP4-based set to gain experience. ... . Or save up $20K and wait for someone to die. Craig


The idea of starting with a 10BP4 postwar set if good. The Emerson 7JP4 postwar
sets are also OK, if the CRT is good.

However, $20,000 for a prewar set is high. Very high for USA sets, even high for
British ones. IF you are good at cabinet refinishing, and are patient, you can do
well for under $3500 for a TRK120 by assembling from parts. The big problems is finding
a really good CRT. Smaller CRT prewar sets are much more expensive because so
few survive. With a good CRT both the TRK12/120 and the 630 have stunningly good
pictures.

All that said, what you probably actually want is something like the RCA 630.


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 Post subject: Re: Which TV should I buy
PostPosted: Nov Sat 16, 2019 12:43 am 
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And, with an easily found commercial video modulator, you can run a computer or DVD player, and watch vintage shows on your vintage TV.

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