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 Post subject: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
PostPosted: Jan Sun 06, 2019 11:07 pm 
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Another radio from Joe and this is the last one of his for now out of the six he brought over to me for repair and refinishing. Very nice Arvin Tombstone, don't see many of these around or at least I haven't seen any. This is the first one of this model. The top middle section was needing new veneer and I spliced it in at the front where the speaker hole is. No other veneer was replaced by me. Turned out very nice and gave the cabinet a nice tone job. I still need to scuff it up again because this is only sealer on the cabinet. After that it also will be finished for Joe along with the other 5 radios from him.


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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
PostPosted: Jan Sun 06, 2019 11:20 pm 
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Your usual awful work... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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Very Nice Fred!


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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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Hi Fred What fantastic artwork you do. I love watching your threads. I love to restore cabinets, too. I'll just never be as good as you. I do have a couple questions though if I can ask in this thread. Do you use different colors of Timbermate? If so what colors mainly? Also is there a good thread or video for the proper way of seaming veneer. I noticed in a previous thread you seamed the veneer before you installed it on the cabinet. I would like to learn that technique. I tried seaming on the cabinet and always get a small gap. Thanks ahead for any info.


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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
PostPosted: Jan Tue 08, 2019 1:11 pm 
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madsowry wrote:
Hi Fred What fantastic artwork you do. I love watching your threads. I love to restore cabinets, too. I'll just never be as good as you. I do have a couple questions though if I can ask in this thread. Do you use different colors of Timbermate? If so what colors mainly? Also is there a good thread or video for the proper way of seaming veneer. I noticed in a previous thread you seamed the veneer before you installed it on the cabinet. I would like to learn that technique. I tried seaming on the cabinet and always get a small gap. Thanks ahead for any info.


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I found using a deferent color grain filler doesn't matter much. I use wiping stain over everything and it all comes together. Neutral and wood colored grain filler from Timbermate is what I use and all the same when you stain over it. Other grain fillers I don't know much about except mohawks. Look on line about how to seam veneer together, I'm still learning myself on all the tricks of the trade on how to do professional wood veneering. Just keep practicing and doing it and you will get better and better at it.


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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
PostPosted: Jan Wed 09, 2019 4:57 am 
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Thanks Fred Excellent advice as usual.

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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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Wow....you have some skills!! Beautiful.

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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
PostPosted: Jan Wed 09, 2019 11:30 pm 
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Fred I think the bars would be the same finish as the finish on the cabinet, not the darker toning.


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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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That's the way it will be done Joe.


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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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Usually when I get done taking the veneer off, and look at the bare cabinet with all the gouges in it from scraping old veneer like in the 1st and 2nd pics, is about the time despair sets in. I can't figure out how I'll even get the cabinet smooth enough that new veneer will lay down and look nice.

Do you do anything to prep the cabinet before veneer? Or does the glue and veneer just smooth that rough surface out?

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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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Wow, I'm really impressed. A great job, congratulations.

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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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Usually when I get done taking the veneer off, and look at the bare cabinet with all the gouges in it from scraping old veneer like in the 1st and 2nd pics, is about the time despair sets in. I can't figure out how I'll even get the cabinet smooth enough that new veneer will lay down and look nice.

Do you do anything to prep the cabinet before veneer? Or does the glue and veneer just smooth that rough surface out?

Hello Rodney, I use bondo to fill in any gouges in the wood . Sand flat and smooth before you glue the veneer down, if you leave any gouges or unevenness on the substrate it may very well my show once the veneer is down. If fact i screwed up this Arvin and very well mite have to strip the whole top and front and redo the whole thing because of what were talking about. Not good and not happy about it but I cant let it go out the door like it is and will post the screw up and repair here on this post.


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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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fred taylor wrote:
Hello Rodney, I use bondo to fill in any gouges in the wood . Sand flat and smooth before you glue the veneer down, if you leave any gouges or unevenness on the substrate it may very well my show once the veneer is down. If fact i screwed up this Arvin and very well mite have to strip the whole top and front and redo the whole thing because of what were talking about. Not good and not happy about it but I cant let it go out the door like it is and will post the screw up and repair here on this post.

Sounds like my intuition was correct, at least. Now I know the step I've been missing! I can go dig out the coupla three de-veneered cabinets I've had sitting around, waiting for me to make this cognitive leap, and get going on them again.

Thanks, Fred!

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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
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Yeah Fred you do fantastic work, but I would like to be half as good as you one day!!!! I bought the Timberline mahogany grain filler and applied it to my latest Zenith 7S657 cabinet , It seemed easy to apply with a plastic credit card, dried quick, easily sanded off, but almost looked off white when it dried in the grains and stayed that way after I gave it two coats of golden pecan Minwax stain? :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: Arvin Rhythm maid redo
PostPosted: Jan Tue 15, 2019 1:31 pm 
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ychris wrote:
Yeah Fred you do fantastic work, but I would like to be half as good as you one day!!!! I bought the Timberline mahogany grain filler and applied it to my latest Zenith 7S657 cabinet , It seemed easy to apply with a plastic credit card, dried quick, easily sanded off, but almost looked off white when it dried in the grains and stayed that way after I gave it two coats of golden pecan Minwax stain? :cry:
I dont use Minwax stains on anything i refinish so i cant tell you whats happing. Mohawk products is all i use except for the grain filler which is Timbermate.


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