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 Post subject: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Feb Sat 23, 2019 2:09 am 
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I ran across a photo showing the Stromberg-Carlson finishing steps. It is on a piece of wood somebody made into a table.
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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Feb Sat 23, 2019 2:48 am 
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It would be nice if we could read the writing.


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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Feb Sat 23, 2019 3:10 am 
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You can save and zoom, but I'll do it:

1) Stain Coat
2) Glaze Coat - I wonder what was used for this?
3) Filler Coat
4) Seal Coat
5) Hand Sanding
6) First Lacquer
7) Second Lacquer
8 ) Third Lacquer
9) Final Hand Rubbing and Polish

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PostPosted: Feb Sat 23, 2019 5:35 am 
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Glaze coat evens out the color of the stain, which may show variations from one piece of wood to the next.


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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Feb Sat 23, 2019 5:59 am 
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That looks like it may have been a sign plack of some kind that was turned into part of the table, very cool. Would look nice hanging up in a radio refinishing shop


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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Feb Sat 23, 2019 12:24 pm 
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FStephenMasek wrote:
You can save and zoom, but I'll do it:

I tried, of course, but still not legible with a file size of 65 KB.

Thanks for posting.

The glaze coat would be similar to a modern gel stain, or other heavy bodied stain. There are glazes sold for use specifically as such. You can buy painted cabinetry that has been "glazed", in that they use a darker glaze on some edged and in the corners to give it an aged look. In this case they are using it as Alan mentioned.
I assume the filler coat is for filling the pores, but I am not so sure I would put it directly on a stain and glazed cabinet without a light sealer between.


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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Feb Sat 23, 2019 6:44 pm 
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I'll look for glaze coat material the next time I'm at Austin Hardwoods.

Fred, I wish I could remember where I got that photo.

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Large image→ https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/B3cAAOSw ... -l1600.jpg
from... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-RARE-Stro ... 7675.l2557


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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Feb Sat 23, 2019 10:55 pm 
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Thanks for finding the source. I wonder if a radio collector bought it?

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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Feb Sun 24, 2019 2:12 am 
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Looks like its still for sale, I bet a wood worker some where hand made that table after that sign was no longer needed and was thrown away


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PostPosted: Feb Sun 24, 2019 4:18 am 
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The seller ended the auction before it ran its course.

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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Feb Mon 25, 2019 4:01 am 
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From my experience, Stromberg Carlson radios have some of the best finishes, alongside Philcos and Scotts. Has anyone ever found documentation of the original finishing methods for these other companies?


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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Mar Wed 13, 2019 5:04 pm 
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Here's what Scott did.


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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
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It is interesting to note that Scott claimed that most radios were dipped in oil stain, they state that they used water-based stain, and Stromberg-Carlson stated that they used stain, as some people here have claimed that radios were not originally stained.

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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
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Some cheap radios may have been toned instead of stain and clear lacquer. It was economics in that they saved a step. Every radio I have ever seen with nice wood veneer has been stained and then cleared. The secondary wood was toned and maybe some toner was used for esthetic purposes.


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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Mar Fri 15, 2019 6:20 am 
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So why is it hammered over and over that only toner is appropriate?


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 Post subject: Re: Manufacturer finish steps
PostPosted: Mar Fri 15, 2019 8:05 am 
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Toner is a tinted lacquer that was sprayed on cabinets in manufacturing because it was a production process. It evens out the possibly different hues on different pieces of wood from different trees. Although stains and toners are often used differently, and yield different appearances, stains can also be applied in a way to duplicate the look of sprayed on toner.

The key is surface preparation. Toners always sit on top of the wood and aren't absorbed into the wood pores themselves. That's what stains do if they are applied over bare wood. However, if the wood surface has a sealer applied first (such as a seal coat of thinned shellac), the stain will form a transparent coat of color just like toner does.

Technique is as important as the actual products used in recreating the look of the original finish.


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