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 Post subject: Looking for someone to repair Bakelite
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 12:37 am 
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I'm searching for someone to repair a bakelite cabinet. I can send pictures. Is it possible to get an invisible repair?

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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 3:23 am 
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Shoot up some photos.

Posting photos to a forum thread...
https://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewto ... 2&t=365653

Greg.
oh... to answer your question Donald, yes, good repairs can be made with various methods.


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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 3:34 am 
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I don't think an invisible repair is very likely. I have seen some good results from painting after repair.

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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 3:48 am 
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Here's the break.


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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 9:54 am 
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Invisible No! unless you spray paint the whole cabinet. Do you have the piece? That makes it easier.

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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 12:49 pm 
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Yes, I have the piece.

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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 1:39 pm 
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Donald if you have never done a repair like this before, it may be best to find someone with experience.

Here are a few pointers.
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/foru ... topic=28.0

The capillary action mentioned above works great if you are nervous working with live superglue.
Ask any questions back here before you proceed.

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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 3:56 pm 
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Repairing a broken bakelite part is almost exactly the same as repairing a broken china teacup. You can glue the broken chunks back together but you can't magically fuse them back together undetectably.

But, bakelite has a cosmetic advantage over crockery in that it can be painted. Doing a decent job of epoxying the broken piece back in place, sanding the bond line smooth, and using auto body spot putty + sandable primer to fill in any defects will enable a flawless top color coat to be applied.


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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 4:21 pm 
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Wow EGG, because of your link to telephone stuff I now have another interesting forum to spend hours on.

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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 4:33 pm 
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I don't have the skills or the experience to do this piece justice. This is why I'm trying to find someone who can.

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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 6:51 pm 
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Donald, since you created this thread I believe you can edit the title to say something like "Looking for Bakelite repair in Virginia area". It might get the right eyes on it. It won't count as starting a new thread on the same subject.

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 Post subject: Re: Bakelite repair
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 7:24 pm 
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When logged-in...
You can edit/change the title of a thread by editing your first post.
Edit icon at bottom right of post.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for someone to repair Bakelite
PostPosted: Jan Sat 18, 2020 9:39 pm 
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Thanks for the tip. I've changed it. I'm willing to send this cabinet anywhere to get it fixed. It's one of my favorites.

Regards and thank you

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for someone to repair Bakelite
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Shipping a Bakelite cabinet with a crack like that one is inviting disaster, IMO. It won't survive shipping.

Get a buddy with a steady hand to help you glue the piece in. Most people use Crazy glue, or Super glue, do a practice run first to make sure you can get it in snug and flush in one quick motion.
5-minute epoxy is also a good choice, a bit of time before it sets up. Some tape behind the break can help with aligning and securing.

I had good results with Weld-bond yellow glue similar to Tite-bond. The piece needs to be clamped or taped but you have time to shift it around.
You might not need to paint it. A crack can just be there.

Here's the Weld-bond crack. In this case (pun), I prefer the scar to an un-original paint job.


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 Post subject: Re: Looking for someone to repair Bakelite
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The way to fake it:
https://antiqueradios.com/features/paint.html


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 Post subject: Re: Looking for someone to repair Bakelite
PostPosted: Jan Mon 20, 2020 2:49 pm 
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I really don't want to paint this. I'm hoping that I can find someone that can repair it. I know it won't be perfect but be presentable.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for someone to repair Bakelite
PostPosted: Jan Tue 21, 2020 11:03 am 
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If the side of the cabinet is flat it can be clamped or weighted to a smooth surface and then the piece slid into position. Now the crack can have the thinnest Super Glue dribbled over it to be drawn in by capillary action. This is the best way of getting the tightest finish of the parts.

Before doing this the insides need preparing by roughing up their surfaces and then without moving the radios, as laid out above, covered with fibre glass mat and epoxy.

Then when all set up, any crack that is still open filled, using a scalpel blade, with Araldite with some drinking chocolate mixed in it (not too much as it gets weak). The outside can then be flatted and polished. And the crack can even be painted with model paints.

Here's one I did that was mottled and when the crack was touched in with paints was as good as you could get to invisible.
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 Post subject: Re: Looking for someone to repair Bakelite
PostPosted: Jan Sat 25, 2020 4:02 pm 
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What radio is this Donald? Is it big? It must have a special significance to you to want to go a lot of trouble?

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for someone to repair Bakelite
PostPosted: Jan Sat 25, 2020 9:22 pm 
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Telefunken 340 and it is worth it to me to get it repaired.

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 Post subject: Re: Looking for someone to repair Bakelite
PostPosted: Jan Sun 26, 2020 10:32 am 
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Its only just clicked with me that its a Katzenkopf, I failed to see it on your pics. Certainly one to get repaired. Its rare and I have never seen one only pics.

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