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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Sat 01, 2004 6:22 pm 
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I have a philco 71 console. I am debating between restoring the set or not.The cabinet is complete but rough, however my biggest issue is the front pannel. The cabinet front pannel is busted where the speaker was. I really would like a repro front. I checked at Dick Oliver and did not see a 71 cabinet or front face listed. The veneer on the front runs on a 45 degree angle. For me to reproduce my front would require more time than I have and would probably be costly because I would have to buy a huge amount of veneer in order to run the grain at an angle. Any idea if veneer can be purchased with the grain running at an angle, or know of a source for the front I need, or know someone who could do this type of work? The pannel is approx 1'X 2' and 1/4" thick so it would be easy to send out. Thanks in advance for any help.<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Sat 01, 2004 7:11 pm 
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The glare off the front of the 71 cabinet you linked makes it hard to see how the right side of the face looks. I'd think that as the grain lines on the left side go from the upper left corner to lower right, the lines on the right side go from upper right to lower left and the lines meet in the middle in a "V" shape. If so they call that "booked" veneer. It's two pieces of veneer sliced at the same time from the same piece of lumber and mounted side-by-side in mirror image of each other.<P>These guys should be able to help you with veneer:<BR> <A HREF="http://www.constantines.com" TARGET=_blank>http://www.constantines.com</A> <P>As for the repairs, I would think any decent furniture restoration place in your area would be able to help you, as long as they know what the expected result is supposed to look like.....<P>Good luck<P>------------------<BR>Paul


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Sat 01, 2004 8:03 pm 
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Thanks for responding and Yes Paul thats what mine needs to look like. <A HREF="http://archives.radioattic.com/images/p/Philco_71_Daniels.jpg" TARGET=_blank>http://archives.radioattic.com/images/p/Philco_71_Daniels.jpg</A> Never having veneer experience I didn't know "booked" was the term for this style. I will bring both consoles along on the 30th. I was told the 770 was in better shape than I thought it was, by that gentleman that restores cabinets I was talking to very briefly (don't remember who he was). If the set fires up I may have somebody do that cabinet perhaps you can drop a few names of good cabinet restorers in the area when the time comes. I still am unsure of the 71. You can look at it ( <IMG SRC="http://antiqueradios.com/forums/frown.gif"> sorry it's not a 70 cathederal) and maybe then I will have a better idea what to do with it. I am still unsure what one of these is worth restored or what the chassis/parts alone are worth.<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Mon 03, 2004 10:27 pm 
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Yeah, I can tell you, having seen the 770 cabinet that you really shouldn't have any problem stripping off the old lacquer with Parks Furniture Refinisher (Menard's, $12/gallon) or lacquer thinner, then just toning and relacquering it. That'll probably be the easiest part of the whole restoration.<P>As for the Philco, I would think if you called and asked somebody like Tape-Ease that you found, they could supply you with bookmatched straight-grain walnut veneer. But seriously consider whether this is something you want to invest any time (and more importantly, money) into. The set has little monetary value, even fully restored. Oddly enough it would be easier to sell and about as lucrative if you just sold off the parts and dumped the cabinet.....there is really no demand for 70 consoles right now AFAIK. Cathedrals, chairsides and grandfather clocks, yes, but not consoles.<P>If you wanted to keep the radio and the cabinet is as bad as you described, you'd probably spend more having someone refabricate the fretwork and fixing the veneer as just buying one of Dick Oliver's cathedral cabinets, and when you're done you'd have a piece many people would appreciate. That sounds kind of funny coming from me, who's very cheap and turns white at the thought of spending $220 all at once, but in this one case you might be better off doing that and ending up with a super-nice piece. Just make sure your chassis actually is a 70. Philco put the same chassis into many different cabinets, and put different chassis into many similarly-styled cabinets, so make sure what you have.<P>You might want to think about e-mailing Ron Ramirez at <A HREF="http://www.philcoradio.com" TARGET=_blank>www.philcoradio.com</A> or Chuck Schwark (of Chicago) at <A HREF="http://www.philcorepairbench.com" TARGET=_blank>www.philcorepairbench.com</A> for opinions on this set (supply your tube lineup and the model number off the sticker in the cabinet). Both are active here, helpful and very clued in the ways of these sets. See if they have anything to say about it (maybe they can tell you what to do about the missing speaker).......Or maybe shoot a mail at Jim Menning whom I believe you met at the show; he knows Philco very well also. Ask me for his address if you want.<P>Later<P>------------------<BR>Paul


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Tue 04, 2004 8:11 pm 
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I don't know what to do with the philco and accept the fact it is unrestorable from an economic perspective. I've got too many irons in the fire now and I better concentrate my efforts on the 770. I just picked up an airline chassis very similar <IMG SRC="http://antiqueradios.com/forums/smile.gif"> paid way too much for it, $41 with shipping and not complaining because I can use the pointer and tubes, or better yet if I can find a cabinet It looks like a nice set. 8 tubes plus an eye <A HREF="http://antiqueradios.com/photogallery/airlineglass.jpg." TARGET=_blank>http://antiqueradios.com/photogallery/airlineglass.jpg.</A> Getting back to the philco I am unsure of the chassis #. What is left of the label shows 70, 70a or something like that, but the cabinet pic I showed is a 71, right? I will get on my wife to put the pics I took on this computer so we can better I.D. I too cringe at the thought of spending $200 I spent 18 on caps, 15 to buy the victor 15X (works but should recap anyway)and now 41 for the chassis/pointer I can use for the 770. That is over a 5 month period so I guess I am cheap too. My dream radio is a philco with mystery control, so at the rate I invest in radios it will take years to get one.....at least we can dream for free <IMG SRC="http://antiqueradios.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Tue 04, 2004 9:58 pm 
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Oooooooh. Pretty new chassis. Probably actually worth what you paid if it comes with all but the eye tube and all the coils and transformers are healthy.<P>Has *10* tubes plus eye. I found the completed eBay auction. It's an Airline 62-301. Tube lineup 6K7-6J7-6C5-6K7-6H6-6F5-6F6-6F6-6F6-6G5-5Z3. Also a Belmont chassis, probably one step upmarket and maybe one year newer than yours. It looks as though the chassis would probably drop-in to replace your 7-tube Coronado chassis if you couldn't restore that for whatever reason. <P>No real difference in the RF section, but bigger audio. Only the 6K7s and 6C5 would directly replace tubes in your Coronado. But at least you finally got your pointer, and there's nothing wrong with having extra 6F6's around in the junk box. They're costly to buy when you need them.<P>If your current Philco's label says 70, it's a 70. Could be the one in the archives has a different chassis but same cabinet, that happened with Philco sometimes.<P>Philco mystery control? You mean like this? <A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2242580767" TARGET=_blank>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2242580767</A> <P><P>------------------<BR>Paul


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Tue 04, 2004 10:26 pm 
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WOW!!! I bet it gets up there in price. How much to get working do you think? Wasn't the mystery control also used on cathederal/tombstone sets? In my oppinion these philco consoles are not as big on looks as other consoles from this era, but this one is welcome in my house any day. <P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Tue 04, 2004 11:01 pm 
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Paul Dietenberger wrote:
<font>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by milkman64:<BR><B>WOW!!! I bet it gets up there in price. </B><HR>
<P>Actually, probably not. Supply greater than demand, I guess. A 39-116 might sell for a little more, as you get a couple more tubes and shortwave. This radio had been listed last month and the high bid (in fact, the only bidder) got it for $50. Apparently the transaction wasn't completed, because here it is again. If you wanted to go to eastern Pennsylvania to get it, you'd probably spend more on gas than the radio.<P>All the Mystery Control consoles look like this, I guess. And yes, they're all consoles. If you had a table radio you wouldn't need to remote control it because it would probably be on a table next to your chair. <IMG SRC="http://antiqueradios.com/forums/smile.gif"> Philco stopped making cathedrals after 1937 and most table radios after '38 were horizontal models. <P>------------------<BR>Paul


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Wed 05, 2004 7:17 am 
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Does Dick Oliver have a web site?<P>Thank you.<P>Wayne H.<P>------------------<BR>


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Wed 05, 2004 9:56 am 
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OOPS! Getting back to the subject of cabinet restoration...here is a link to a pdf file containing some of the items for sale as well as an address, email, and phone, but I do not know of a web site<P>------------------<BR>


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PostPosted: May Wed 05, 2004 4:28 pm 
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<A HREF="http://www.radioswapmeet.com/store/doliver.pdf" TARGET=_blank>http://www.radioswapmeet.com/store/doliver.pdf</A> <P>------------------<BR>Paul


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 Post subject: Cabinet front repair
PostPosted: May Wed 05, 2004 6:14 pm 
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DOH! Thanks Paul that is the link that didn't properly paste in my last post. <IMG SRC="http://antiqueradios.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>


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