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 Post subject: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
PostPosted: Dec Fri 07, 2018 6:56 am 
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This looks like a Zenith 4V31-style chassis in a 4T51-style cabinet. Seems factory.

I think the 4V31 shows up pretty regularly, but I hadn't noticed the 4T51 before, so it must be significantly less common. And I can't find another instance of this combination of chassis and cabinet. Is it a 4V51?

https://columbus.craigslist.org/atq/d/a ... 72960.html

Steve (azenithnut), you should go check it out and report back! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
PostPosted: Dec Fri 07, 2018 10:57 am 
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Yes, i saw that one.
It is a 4V59 from 1936.
https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/zenith_4v59_ch_5405.html

I would have pursued already it if it wasn't for that chunk missing off the cabinet. I may anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
PostPosted: Dec Fri 07, 2018 1:55 pm 
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Never seen that model before, case looks more like a Silvertone


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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azenithnut wrote:
It is a 4V59 from 1936.

Ahh, mystery solved! Thank you, Steve. Somehow my eye didn't catch that entry in RMorg.

I agree that it looks more like a Silvertone, or maybe an Emerson. It's got a nice look though. I like it!

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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A very nice console, and although likely not very valuable, very uncommon. So worth restoring and preserving.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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Wow, that's pretty cool. Definitely worth having just for the rarity of the thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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For $75, I'd be tempted to pick it up. The cabinet repair is minor and easily fixed.

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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ok, you all convinced me, I'll give it a shot

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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Good, I'm tired of seeing it pop up in my searches. They have been heavily posting it recently and in many categories trying to sell the thing. I also would have been interested if not for the chunk missing, but in that condition, and my lack of cabinet repair skills, my wife would kill me if I got it.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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Good luck, Steve. I like it for being a Zenith with distinctly non-Zenith styling.

I hope you get it.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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That particular radio appears to be displayed in Radio Attic as a 4V59 and it looks like it was stripped for refinishing in the photo. It's unlikely there are two radios with the same patch of veneer missing.

https://radioatticarchives.com/radio.htm?radio=2279

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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Judging from what I've seen in other photos, loose veneer must have been an issue with that cabinet.
Sad that it happened… I'm not good with such repairs, I'll see what I can do though.

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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I was afraid of this.
The radio has been modified for AC and the speaker is not original.
Oh well, the cabinet is what is unique about the set. The original speaker is nothing to write home about so maybe it is for the best?

The guy had one part of the broken chunk, but not all of it. Still, I brought it home. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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I think it's awesome set. Once restored it will be a little beauty. In my opinion, who cares if it's modified? it would great if it was original, but you still have a one sharp and rare little console!


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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You sure that speaker isn't factory original?? :D

I'm glad it's in good hands!


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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It's a beauty, Steve! Maybe you can find donor parts to get it back to original, from a 4V31.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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Zenith must have been self conscious about the size of the chassis, looks like they added those curved baffles on each side to hide its smallness.

Glad you brought it to safety Steve.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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I bought a similar Zenith console on eBay a few weeks ago. It has the same black dial. The trim around the dial is the same. The controls are the same. The closest model I could find to compare it to was also the 4V59 from 1936. My chassis was clearly modified, so I suspected it too was a 4 tube, 6 volt model originally. The model tag is missing from the chassis. Mine had 6 tubes, but the original audio tube only had the filament hooked up, so I took it out and covered the socket. It has a #42 audio output tube located where the vibrator would have been. The rectifier tube is mounted at the front. Looks like they moved the filter capacitor over a bit to make room for the rectifier tube. My converter tube appears to have swapped positions with the antenna coil can. There is a jagged, enlarged hole under that can. It has an old Jensen replacement speaker. I recapped the radio, replaced one tube and made some other repairs. It works fine. I repainted the chassis and speaker. I had a local refinisher make repairs and refinish the cabinet. He feels confident it is back to original form. I have not seen another with this exact cabinet, so I am still not 100% sure it is a 4V59. I will enclose a couple finish pictures.


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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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Hello and welcome to the Antique Radio Forums! :D

I honestly don't know what you have there either. As the chassis serial number tag is missing and modifications done, its hard to tell whether it would be the 1936 chassis 5405 or 1937 chassis 5406 which look practically identical.
The 1937 brochure info does not show the 4 tube chassis in a console, but it is possible Zenith made it available. They often brought out models not in the normal line-up.

I would say you have a nice little unusual Zenith console :D

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 Post subject: Re: Unusual battery Zenith console, Columbus, OH
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Thanks for your reply, Steve. I viewed the 5406 chassis and those were factory painted that gold or copper color they began using around that time. Mine was not a painted chassis. I used the partial serial number below with every possible missing number combination and every possible prefix letter on a Zenith Guru site to come up with a model number. I had no luck. I viewed all known Zenith model images from1935 thru 1937 on radiomuseum.org. I saw the same wood combo used on a 1935 Zenith 808 tombstone, recently sold at the Radio Attic. That has a white dial and the chassis is different. So, I guess as you said. I have a nice, unusual little Zenith. The cabinet must have been custom or limited production. I still believe the modifications to the chassis were to convert the voltage and tube count. Good luck with your 4V59.


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