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 Post subject: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
PostPosted: Feb Mon 10, 2020 8:23 pm 
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Saw this on CL. That has to be be one heavy beast. I saw some postings regarding these sets. I think the posts seem to be talking about 51 or so vice 59 as this one is listed. Or maybe the seller is just wrong about the year. Still a beautiful example.

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/atq/d/fort-washington-tv-dumont-royal/7066459981.html


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
PostPosted: Feb Mon 10, 2020 9:14 pm 
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The set posted is probably a 1959, but I wonder if it is actually a Royal Soverign.

The Royal Soverign most collectors think of is the 1951 model with a round 30BP4 CRT.... that was the biggest monochrome TV CRT ever produced and until 32" colors became a thing in the 80s it was the biggest CRT ever produced.

If that 59 is a Royal Soverign then it has 3 strikes against it... It doesn't have the biggest CRT(with that rectangular tube the biggest it could be is 27" and it is likely smaller), it is a post Emerson merger set, and it is a stereo combo(bigger and heavier than a TV only model the same screen size).

Dumont and Emerson merged sometime between 1953 and 1955 IIRC. Emerson tended to make cheap chassis that could be a bit of a mess layout wise. Dumont tended to make only the finest cabinets and chassis over-engineering and overbuilding the chassis to the point of perfect performance and military like build quality..... Post Emerson merger Dumonts became decent middle of the road chassis (along the lines of a high end admiral) in a decent cabinet with formal styling.... basically they were like those 90s Cadillacs everyone hated that were a Chevy lumina handed to caddy to tart up the trim a bit to try and approximate the brand image VS the 30's- 60's real Cadillacs that were made to be the best.

Post Emerson Dumonts are not the worst (they're decent compared to a similar RCA or Zenith) but they are not better like the early ones.


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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Dumont possibly could've used that name on certain set later on, but still, it's a low dollar set. You nearly would have to give it away.


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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The ad says "Authentic 18th Century" so it could be George Washington's set.

I don't see the RS name anywhere in the ad, also the CRT is more squared off in the set than it is in the ad, no biggie, promotional material often differs slightly, the square corners make me think later than 59 though, could even be a 23" set, but it looks larger.

Wasn't Dumont pretty much "In name only" by this point?


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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I was thinking this one had to be different from the ones I was seeing posted on in my search here. I was not sharp enough to nail down the why's....


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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The ad does appear to say "Royal Sovereign". If you squint a little.

First line of text, all caps.

Would probably make a nice display in the ETF, next to a real one. It's too huge and not really noteworthy enough to be worth the floor space anywhere else.


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
PostPosted: Feb Sat 15, 2020 2:05 am 
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WeekendHacker wrote:
The ad does appear to say "Royal Sovereign". If you squint a little.
Yes, they were made with rectangular screens later on.

Try a little less squinting:

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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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There's a listing for an ad for them on the 'bay. It's not the original RS, but it still looks like one huge, impressive, elaborate, expensive set.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-DuMont-PR ... 0919588767


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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Duplicate post.


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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"The Royal Sovereign" 30'' is the Holy Grail of television sets ! Crosley I believe also made a 30" set during the same time frame . Have seen Several Domont 30", but never the Crosly 30" . I wonder if any still exist ?


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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Same in Oz.

I wonder if any of these still exist?

https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/astor_model_a_27.html

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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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The Crosley ad should have said "Crosley clones the world's largest direct-view TV." Crosley cloned other Dumonts as well.

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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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Tom Albrecht wrote:
The Crosley ad should have said "Crosley clones the world's largest direct-view TV." Crosley cloned other Dumonts as well.

The Dumont based Crosleys I've seen all seem to be electrically stripped down versions.... like they brought a Dumont to Muntz and asked them what the minimum parts for it to work was then brought it back to Dumont and said what's the minimum we need to add back for this to not suck...

I have this vague impression that years ago I read of a collector having the crosley version of the RS but stealing the tube for an RS or something.


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 Post subject: Re: DuMont Royal Sovereign in DC
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I have a Crosley 9-407, and it is identical to a Dumont RA-103 inside. I'm not aware of a single component different. It's identical to the point I would have suspected that Dumont even manufactured it for Crosley. Cosmetics are quite different, but chassis identical. It does have a bigger speaker, so I guess that's one difference.

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